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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I was going to move to that point. This is crucial because with a national capital project that takes bricks and mortar to build but also costs money every year thereafter to keep the lights on, clean the building, staff the building and all the rest of it, we need to make sure that the runaway costs that we are seeing on the capital side are not repeated with the current expenditure. If...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: It depends why it changed.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: To be helpful, if there is significant deviation or change in them, the HSE can add a commentary as to why it believes those changes took place. Again, there may have been none. I just want to know. In regard to the health overrun, I asked the Minister for Finance why he believes we are going to buck the trend in 2019 compared with any other year and why the health budget will not see a...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Excuse me, what was that?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Talking about planning of staff, I am sure other Deputies will have the same experience as my own. Mr. Mulvany talked about planning, growing staff and so on. Is it not the case that in the "living within your means" part of what he is saying, what we are seeing now is that acute hospitals and community hospitals are not replacing staff who are on maternity leave in many cases? This can be...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: What happens when somebody goes on maternity leave?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: This is the point. In terms of budget planning, the Department of Education and Skills has a predominantly female workforce.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: That is why I am using the comparison. The Department of Education and Skills has a budget that it does not breach every year, yet many of its staff take maternity leave. How can it sort it out and the Department of Health cannot? I have parents coming to me whose child has speech and language issues and there is no speech and language service in west Donegal because the individual is on...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Or budget for it in the first place.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Budget Management and Control of Health Expenditure in the context of Budget 2020: Discussion (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Who is sanctioning the numbers? They are sanctioning the numbers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Who have we invited in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: To clarify, are we starting in public or private session?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: First, I appreciate the work of the secretariat in ensuring the witnesses who were before this committee were included in the scrutiny report, because it is not our words, but those of the witnesses who came before us, that make up the scrutiny. The first draft contained only the views of the Department and the Central Bank, so I welcome the efforts to ensure the witnesses' core sentiments...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I have no problem with any evidence being tested. However, I challenge the bona fides of what Deputy Michael McGrath is saying. He should allow this Bill to progress to Committee Stage, with the independent analysis concluded before that Stage in order that we could then shape our amendments. If he wishes to vote against the Bill at that point, so be it. The reality, when one cuts through...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: It is obvious that we do not have the time to deal with the amendments today. This does not take away from the fact that what is happening here at this meeting is a clear attempt - and Fine Gael has been consistent in this, I welcome the largest attendance ever from that party at a finance meeting here - to protect the vultures and not ordinary people. I nonetheless welcome all Fine Gael...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I have never seen five Fine Gael members ever at this committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: We have dealt with issues such as trackers, and insurance-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: -----and such matters but when it comes to the vultures, they all row in to try to sink this Bill. They are consistent in that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: What I am disappointed and concerned about is that this is an issue of timing. Deputy McGrath has made a point about independent analysis which could have happened at any time. There is a clock ticking on this Parliament. We all know this, as does the public. There is also a clock ticking for banks. My view is that this should be allowed to go to Committee Stage, we should be reporting,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: No Consent, No Sale Bill 2019: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Let me make two points. First, on what the Minister said regarding who needs to be present in this debate, his point is correct. I have been present for all of this debate. If the Minister was in attendance at the debate, he would have heard the Central Bank state that dealing with the issue of securitisation allays the majority of its concerns. That is first and foremost. It has been...

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