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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I refer to the strict parameters of a project time line. What is meant by "strict parameters"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Someone else. As occurred in this instance, the reply states that the recording of the full extent of such resource inputs is not assiduously observed. Why were they not observed? If the OPW is doing a project on someone's time lines, it is still an architect sitting at a desk who may be working on the design for a designated time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Fully accounted?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: The full extent of such resource inputs also includes people whose advice is obtained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: For example, a person's time coming over to the desk to give advice might be clocked in as time on the project. That is what is meant when Ms McGrath says it is not being assiduously observed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: They may have spent 15 minutes thinking. Nevertheless, an estimate of technical contributions recorded from 2010 to 2013 on this project, such as architectural engineering and quantity surveying services equates to one person for 58 weeks. Why is the period from 2010 to 2013 and not from 2007 when the OPW was first engaged by the Department of the Taoiseach?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: There was a pause in the concentration of work. How was the estimate of the technical contributions achieved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: It was shown that person A spent ten hours-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I would like to have a detailed note on how that figure of one person for 58 weeks was arrived at and why the period is from 2010 to 2013. That information is important in order to be certain that the OPW is keeping a record of the work it is carrying out for anybody, not just in this instance but at any time. What is the cost of one person for 58 weeks? What grade is that person?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I would like to have a note on those pay scales.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I appreciate that. I will take 20 to 25 minutes because there is a particular project I want to consider. It is a private entity but the OPW has been involved with it, namely, the redevelopment of the Irish-Jewish Museum. I am not interested in the plans. I did not make any observations or submissions on them, because I do not think that is the role of a Deputy but I do believe a Deputy...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: How does that work? Did he make a formal request in writing to the OPW?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Did that come from the Taoiseach’s office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Was the request that the OPW become involved in this project?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: Does the permission for that come under legislation? Ms McGrath has cited two Acts in documentation, the Commissioners of Public Works (Functions and Powers) Act 1996 and the State Authorities (Development and Management) Act 1993. What exactly do they provide for? Is there a broad provision that the OPW would act at the discretion of the Taoiseach when he orders it to? How does that work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: This direction came from the Taoiseach’s office. Did the OPW have to seek clarification that it was within the scope of the OPW’s mandate or did the OPW know that at the time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: At the time was there a precedent for this type of work by the OPW?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: This is something that the OPW does.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: What did the involvement consist of in this instance? Was it architectural assistance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Land Swap Arrangement in the Provision of Affordable Houses
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(30 Jan 2014)

Eoghan Murphy: I will come back to that in a minute. I want more clarity on a time period because the OPW was engaged in this work from 2007 to 2013.

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