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Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank Deputy Crowe. Given that he is asking about such a specific service I do not have a note with me on it. I am very happy to revert to the Deputy with a detailed note. It sounds like the type of proposal that would work its way through consideration in the Estimates process coming up this year. It might be a good time to be speaking about it. If Deputy Crowe has something I will be...

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank the Deputy. There is. As we are all aware CAMHS has been under sustained pressure for some time. There are a great number of CAMHS teams throughout the country. They are multidisciplinary teams. There are definitely improvements that must be made. The Deputy will be aware that we have just appointed an assistant national director specifically for CAMHS. There is an assistant...

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank the Deputy for those questions. There is quite a good deal to unpack in those questions. The first question the Deputy asked was in respect of the cost of housing, essentially. I believe there is a case to be made and I have discussed this with various hospitals. As the Deputy quite rightly says, it used to be the case that hospitals generally had nursing accommodation. In Galway,...

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank Deputy Shortall for this question. I believe the report, which is very clear.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: The report is clear and it does not just set out the two accounts. The report is very clear in stating, and I fully agree, that the then Taoiseach’s chief of staff did not have the details on this until the time she indicated she did, which was much later in the day.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I say that I agree with the report and the report is very clear that Ms Gillane’s account of the timing is correct.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I think I have answered but-----

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: -----in case there is any -----

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: What I am saying very clearly is that I agree with the position in the report, which is that Ms Gillane’s account is correct.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: No, I do not. The Secretary General is before the Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach today and I have no doubt that he will be asked this. In terms of accountability, he will be before that committee for several hours today. That is a senior civil servant accounting to the Oireachtas through that mechanism. He will be asked this question. He will be...

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: We are talking about a proposed secondment -----

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: Let me answer the question.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: Chair, can I -----

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: The Deputy is asking a different question. She asked a separate question, which I am more than happy to come to, in terms of the research funding. On accountability, let us look at what has happened here. There was a proposed secondment which people agreed at the time broadly was something that-----

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: Chair, I need to be able to answer the question.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: Chair, I am going to have to rely on you. I have tried three times to answer the question.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: Chair, can I answer the question?

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank the Chair.

Select Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 38 - Health (Further Revised)
(19 Apr 2023)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank the Deputy. To be clear, the question is in the context of a proposed secondment that did not happen. Nothing actually happened in terms of any spending of money. Several things were done on the back of that to ensure transparency and to ensure that lessons are learned. The first is that a detailed report was put together by the Secretary General at the time and the second is that...

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