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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: The HEA, which is funded by taxpayers of Ireland, is paying out money to DIT to pay a private company in Britain for students in DIT who are part of the DIT headcount. Is this the only example of such an arrangement in DIT?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That does not make it right. I think this is something we are going to have to look at.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: How much is BIMM paid every year by DIT? This is cash in and cash out. It is taxpayers' money.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It goes to a private company in Britain.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I know that. How much is DIT paying BIMM every year? I trust the deputation has that figure at least.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is the figure per year. Is that correct? The HEA is paying DIT to pay a private company €3 million per year. DIT numbers are increased because it does this. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Let us follow the money. How many students are involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: The funding comes through from the HEA for this. The HEA then transfers the funding to DIT. Then, DIT keeps a slice of it. DIT is a net beneficiary and DIT numbers go up. Then, DIT also pays this company with an office in Dublin €3 million. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is bizarre. Can the DIT representatives list the other organisations with which it has similar arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: This is incredible stuff. Let me repeat what I said. The HEA is paying DIT. What is the total amount that the HEA is paying DIT?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is no problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have no issues in respect of that. I know of other ways in which this is done, but I have never heard of it being done like this. The role of the Committee of Public Accounts is to account for taxpayers' money. Taxpayers' money is being paid by the HEA – we will get a figure. I want the specific figures in respect of this programme rather than the total amount. It may be lined...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is bizarre.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It counts for the DIT headcount on top of that. It is the only instance of it in the institute. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I get the gist of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is fair to say that if DIT is paying €3 million to this private company-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I want to find out how much DIT is putting into its own coffers in running the programme. The programme is run by BIMM and DIT is taking a slice off it for administration.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It would be very interesting, Dr. Love, to find out the funding percentage and then to break it down between BIMM and the Dublin Institute of Technology and what the money is used for. I accept what Dr. Noel O'Connor said but this is not normal. I would say the public is not privy to this and it needs to be looked into. In many ways it is creating a precedent. I ask the HEA whether we are...

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