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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is one issue I would like us to clarify with Caranua. We are aware that a number of people have met Mary O'Toole, who is reviewing cases where there is a dispute about the length of time involved due to the lack of records. It is not clear if an amount has been retained, but there is no point in doing the review if there is nothing in the budget to deal with it. Could we clarify the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When the officials from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection were in with us, I asked about a CV builder and it being hosted in another jurisdiction. I was told that was just a newspaper item.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It was about a CV builder in the context of Seetec or JobPath. When I asked a question of the officials of the Department when they came before the committee, I was informed that it was just a newspaper item and that there was no issue arising. I tabled a parliamentary question subsequently. It is not a big deal, but it is an issue relating to accurate information that is being given. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When writing, could the Chairman also ask where the baseline review is? We were told it was imminent. It has been completed but has been sat on since last February. Can we ask where it is?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: No. It is not a bloc grant.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is a baseline set for each local authority. It is based on figures going back to 2000.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is the point below which the figure is not supposed to fall but it pays no attention whatsoever to population shifts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I agree with a lot of what has been said but at the same time I believe we have learned lessons about failing to plan. We need to know the ingredient that is different. There is reliance on the likes of the DART upgrade going ahead and on building capacity into treatment plants in regard to the zoning of land. Many of these are interconnected. For instance, headroom is needed if the DART...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We were critical of the lack of a written business case for the public services card. We need business cases. I agree that we do not need to keep repeating them for the same project. Can we find out if there is something different for this? It has a bearing on the kind of rolling stock that is bought if there is not an electrified service and we do not want to do that. This has knock-on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I think we all are. I have listened to what Ms Denning has said about the legislation. The issue of the 80,000 or 90,000 fines and notices and what it would do to the District Court is serious. Is any of that statute-barred? Is the Courts Service looking at that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I understand Ms Denning is the Accounting Officer. She is making a differentiation between the Courts Service and the Exchequer but I am afraid that we will not make that differentiation. This is because Ms Denning will be looking for the Exchequer to fund, for example, the refurbishment of courthouses and so on and that is part of where the money comes from. It strikes me that we are here...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What specific points does Ms Denning refer to when she mentions a change in legislation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is a double cost.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I have a short time and want to ask a number of questions. The average compensation award for claims by members of the public is €1,600. The average legal cost is €34,000. Why is that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: So this is compensation for the solicitor, rather than for the person that is injured.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is completely out of kilter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is completely out of kilter. On the matter of Hammond Lane project, Ms Denning says it is still owned by the OPW. Is there a protocol to transfer it? Has it been valued?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: If it was to be done as a PPP, who would retain the ownership?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: With regard to the refurbishment of courthouses and the building of new courthouses, economies of scale were thought about when a number were bundled, with BAM as the successful contractor. Did they all come in on budget for the amount tendered for? Were there overruns? What was the profile of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is, for example, the maintenance of courthouses that are lying idle, the one in Wicklow being a case in point.

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