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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: As the Chairman knows, I have been following this up for some time. I have to say I am not pleased with this letter. It raises more questions than answers. It does not answer the questions we asked. It does not state how many of the individual cases have been dealt with so far, which is the substantive question that was asked. A total of 157 cases need to be examined. We do not have any...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: I was in contact with staff in RTÉ who are on these contracts. Some of them contacted me before today's hearing and told me they still have not been contacted. They are waiting to have their cases adjudicated upon. They have not yet had that opportunity. It is unfair. It is a long time since Ms Forbes came before the committee and it is a long time since the report was published. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: We have been looking for a while. We will see.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: We have been through that before.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: That is an important point. I know from a briefing I received on the merger of the Waterford and Carlow institutes of technology that the last big piece of the jigsaw being looked at is the change management strategy. It would be interesting for us to look at whether there is a separate change management strategy for each of the mergers, for example. They are all different because we are...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: I welcome Mr. Griffin. I want to start with broadband provision. A number of my colleagues have raised issues and I have listened patiently to the responses. I imagine that the witnesses are aware of the perception, even if they do not agree with it, that it has turned into a bit of a mess. The matter is very complex and convoluted in terms of the companies involved in the various...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: At one point was it greater than that figure and in the region of 800,000 households?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: That is what I asked. I am talking about the origins of the process and nothing else. The figure was 800,000, from which 300,000 households were taken as part of a separate solution. Will Mr. Griffin talk us through what happened

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Were they the households that were more commercially viable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: I might perhaps come at it from a different philosophical and ideological viewpoint in that I do not think the State should intervene only when the market fails. It could have intervened much more robustly. Perhaps it is because we left the market to deal with the issue for too long that we are in this mess. Notwithstanding that, arguably the 300,000 households that were more commercially...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: I am putting it to Mr. Griffin as somebody who-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not saying Mr. Griffin's responses are tetchy, but I am saying we have put these questions because the Department is writing a cheque on behalf taxpayers and we are here to make sure that in writing it, the right decisions are being made and that we are more focused on the process. When I am looking at it, I can see that we are left with a tendering process which is difficult and mired...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Exactly. How many times has that consortium changed its composition?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Give us a little of the history because that is also part of the problem. The company has changed composition and ownership many times. It is almost unrecognisable from its original manifestation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: In general terms will do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Was SSE not the main financial backer of the consortium?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Is it gone?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: The Department would certainly accept that it has changed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund
(6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: Is that a problem? Does Mr. Griffin see it as an issue?

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