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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Has this washed out too? Are childcare providers not taking on children from that scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: My next question for Tusla may not be for this committee today but for the children's committee. However, I often hear from constituents that Tusla is called into divorce proceedings when child protection allegations are made against a partner. In such cases, an accusation is made, generally against the father of the child, of some inappropriate behaviour. I know this is a sensitive issue...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: My understanding is that this is a common enough practice. It ends up with Tusla having to protect the child. The next thing the divorce is over. The allegation is proved to be completely untrue. That child often then goes back to the home of the person who made the false accusation. Is it a good idea for the person who made such a terrible accusation to end up with custody of the children?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am looking at cases which have come to me. I have Tusla here now so I am raising it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Are those in the renovated refuge?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That means spaces for up to 36 people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Are these spaces being counted in Tusla's figures as refuge spaces even though there is a homeless hostel there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What happened to the staff?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is now HSE but the housing-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What is the arrangement between Tusla and the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government about paying for it? Did Tusla just hand it to them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How does that emerge? I am being serious because it is my area and I have worked very closely with it for years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I know exactly what it is for because I have dealt with the area. I have worked as a pharmacist in the area so I am fully aware of the situation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How do we spend money doing up a facility for women in a crisis and make it suitable, which was one of the major issues, yet do not use it as a refuge? We can say it now but we were kind of hiding children there for years because one could not say to a woman, "Leave your child out in the car and come in". That is the reality of it and I was very uncomfortable with that but it was the only way.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Now we have a situation where the facility has been done up, is suitable for nine women plus three minors in their company, yet it is a homeless place. How does that happen? Who asked Tusla for the refuge?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I asked about staffing but was told they were all reallocated. What is the issue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: So post doing up the unit Tusla was going to give it to a voluntary agency to run. Am I right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Was it a private operator?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: So a not-for-profit section 39?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Whatever. One of those sections. Not Tusla anyway but not Five Rivers either.

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