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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. I thought it would be more appropriate to say the following at the end of this session but I will mention it now because the Deputy raised the matter. I represent Templemore. I know that the people of Templemore are of huge value to the Garda College and vice versa. Simply put, the facilities exist. The facilities are not being used by the Garda for obvious purposes. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent has been very honest for saying so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Deputy. Before Deputy Cullinane commences I urge everyone to be concise in the next round of questioning as Deputy Connolly wishes to comment. I thank the Commissioner for her comments, which are critically important. I welcome what she said about a meeting and agree that people feel nervous with everything that has happened. The college has a lot of facilities, which must...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In the interest of fairness, does Mr. Kelly feel it was multiple people or one person?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Nobody knew anything about financial irregularities before July 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: How was the Garda repaying the OPW if nobody knew anything before July 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. I will summarise. Mr. Kelly accepts that there are issues and breaches here. The Commissioner accepts the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not putting words in the Commissioner's mouth when I say that if she accepts the report written by Mr. Kelly, whose opinion is that the law has been broken, by extension she is accepting what he is saying.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not putting words in the Commissioner's mouth.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: No. I am not saying it is. It is an interim report. The auditor who wrote the report has said in response to numerous questions that it is absolutely his view that certain laws and Acts were broken. He has been very clear in his evidence. The Garda Commissioner has said she accepts his report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Hold on a second. The interim audit report by the auditor has been accepted by the Commissioner. The auditor has stated quite clearly on the record of the Committee of Public Accounts that he believes laws and Acts - it is obvious to all of us what they are - have been broken. The Commissioner has accepted the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I think it is clear for the record of the committee what that means. I call Deputy Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was anyone else who is here as a witness aware of it? That might help the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is the Department of Justice and Equality.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Deputy is a barrister.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I know that. It was for information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Before we conclude, I seek clarification. On what date did Mr. Kelly become aware of Mr. Barrett's document, the report he produced in June-July 2015, or was it May?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Because it is something that concerns me will the Commissioner confirm in writing to us that between June 2015 and the date on which Mr. Kelly found out about it there was no correspondence, emails or documentation in the organisation which stated the report should not be brought to light, sent on or distributed or that people should not be made aware of it? Will the Commissioner verify in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely. I could not agree more. May we have Mr. Barrett's documentation in the next 24 hours? Much of it hangs on his documentation. On behalf of the Committee of Public Accounts, I thank all of the witnesses, including the Garda Commissioner and her staff and all those sitting patiently at the back; the representatives of the Department of Justice and Equality and the Comptroller...

Maternity Services: Motion [Private Members] (3 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Now he should follow through on the sentiments of what he said three years ago and come back with the right answer in a month's time. I want the Minister to address a number of questions. We know that Mr. Thomas Lynch, the CEO of the Ireland East Hospitals Group, warned the Department of Health that this could transpire. I have asked the Minister this question publicly. Why did he not heed...

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