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Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: The Minister is correct. My concern is that when a post becomes vacant in smaller institutions there is a responsibility on the institution to provide the service. It is not included in the formal recruitment process in the UK yet it seems to happen. It is a difficult for the Minister to respond to that but a genuine concern was articulated to us at the hearings. It has not been allayed...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I will resubmit the amendment on Report Stage.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I know it is not Deputy Healy's intention but I would be afraid in respect of the drafting of sub-section (3) that one could end up recruiting on the basis of filling vacancies with persons who would be able to perform procedures under this Bill. This issue was raised during the committee's hearings and there were concerns that something like this could happen and recruitment could be...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I thank the Minister for introducing amendments Nos. 69 and 73. I think they address the concern I raised in my amendment No. 74. It is important for these reports to be laid before each House of the Oireachtas at the first available opportunity so Members can see exactly what is going on. I support the amendments that have been tabled by the Minister and I will withdraw my amendment when...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: As I said earlier, I support these amendments and I intend to withdraw my amendment when we reach it. I would like to pick up on the point made by Deputies Ó Cuív and Ó Caoláin. Can the Minister assure the committee that the procedure which is currently in place, whereby statutory instruments are circulated to the committee as a matter of courtesy, will be followed when...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I wish to make one point about the valid point made by Deputy Ó Caoláin. I can see where the Minister is coming from. As public representatives, we all attend oral hearings with the Department of Social Protection or whatever in order to assist constituents. Officialdom can be daunting and, in this case, one would be faced with three highly qualified consultants. I wish to make...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: No.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I wish to clarify.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I ask that the word "or" be replaced by "and-or".

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: Yes.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: First, I might revisit the issue of the consultants travelling on Report Stage. My question is about subsection (4). It states that notice shall be given in writing. It is a technical matter, but does that include electronic communication?

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I will repeat what I said. Subsection (4) states "give notice in writing". Would that include electronic communication? There is an issue in some legislation as to whether that phrase includes electronic communication. When there is an issue of time involved electronic communication should also be allowed. Is that provided for in the wording? Should it say "communicate with" the woman...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: On that specific issue, we have historic problems in Roscommon getting consultants to travel there from Galway.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: Let me finish. Deputy Conway has raised an important point. Members of the review panel should travel to meet the woman, not the other way round. If a woman is seeking a review, she should not have to travel to Dublin, Cork or Galway to meet at the behest of the panel. The panel members will have agreed to this and the three of them should travel to meet the woman if that has to be done...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: This needs to be clarified in the legislation in order to ensure it happens, because consultants are loth to travel to smaller hospitals to conduct such assessments.

Topical Issue Debate: Child Care Reports (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: We owe it to the children at the centre of the Roscommon case to ensure that their courage and bravery is recognised. No other family should be failed by the State again to the extent that they were. When will the national audit of neglect files commence? What steps are being taken to develop a national training programme, which was identified in this report, not just within child care...

Topical Issue Debate: Child Care Reports (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I thank the Minister for attending. As she recalls, she informed me at an Oireachtas committee meeting last July that the audit had been completed and that the report was being prepared, yet the report had been completed three months previously by the consultant, Ms Lynne Peyton. Frustratingly, Ms Peyton discussed the audit's conclusions at a conference in Belfast whereas it took 14 months...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I see the Minister's logic but the problem is that the way this section is constructed is the other way round. If what he is saying is correct, he needs to invert this section because it states that the HSE will establish a panel of medical practitioners and then may add to that based on a request to the various colleges. It also states that if the HSE considers it appropriate, it can...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: I do not want to dwell on this but the point I am making to the Minister is that he is not giving the colleges the opportunity to appoint. That is not what the section says. The HSE will appoint a panel and request the colleges to make nominations and it is then at the discretion of the HSE whether it appoints those nominees to the panel. It is not that the Minister is asking for the...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

Denis Naughten: The problem is that section 11(4) adds that caveat to it. The colleges will nominate medical practitioners for appointment but the HSE will then decide if it will appoint them to the panel. I think the Minister is putting the cart before the horse and I ask him to look again at it in advance of Report Stage.

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