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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Apologies have been received from Deputy Verona Murphy. Deputies MacSharry and Devlin are tied up with some parliamentary duties but hopefully they will join us later. I welcome everyone to the meeting. Due to the current situation in respect of Covid-19, only the clerk to the committee, support staff and I are in the committee room. Members of the committee are attending remotely from...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: I ask both Deputies to turn on their cameras when they return so that I will be able to see them. I will try to get everyone in before the meeting is over.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: There are some technical difficulties.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Apologies, for a moment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Yes. You are back there now again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy for that. The next speaker is the Secretary General, Mr. Burgess. Our time is limited with the Covid regulations. I see from the relevant invitation that Mr. Burgess has five minutes. Perhaps he can try to keep to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Burgess for his opening statement and wish him well. He mentioned he was moving on to the next phase of his life. I wish him well with that. The lead speaker from the committee today is Deputy Sherlock, who has 15 minutes, followed by Deputy Hourigan, ten minutes. I will give the Deputy a reminder when he has three minutes left. Deputy Sherlock, lean ar aghaidh.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: There is very good reception.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: You are on mute, Secretary General.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: We do not have Ms Jones there yet. Maybe we will come back to that question in a moment. Ms Jones seems to be having difficulty.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy can by all means ask the question. I remind him that there is an ongoing court case and he should not to veer into that territory. The Deputy will understand that we need to be careful not to prejudice its outcomes, but he can proceed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is over time. I will let her back in. Deputy Catherine Murphy has five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Devlin is next and he has five minutes. I will let members back in for a second round.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Ms Jones might keep her reply brief, as I have a number of speakers to bring back in to the discussion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy McAuliffe.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will allow him to join in should he return. I have some questions myself now for Mr. Burgess. I want first to recognise the work of the Department on Brexit, including the work of the officials in Brussels, Belfast and Dublin, Their work on behalf of the State and the Oireachtas was to ensure that the worst of all Brexits and its worst effects on this country and on this State were...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Perhaps Ms Jones may wish to answer this question. On the passport services, the cost of the booklet I understand in 2019 went from €800,000 to in the region of €7 million. Was there a particular reason for that? On counter services, I am aware that we have discussed this and it is good that it is happening online. She has outlined where the office is turning passports...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: I also seek a reply on the question of counter services. Are they available at present?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: To clarify, is a counter service available today at the Passport Office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Control of Humanitarian Assistance Funding
2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(24 Jun 2021)

Brian Stanley: Can people walk in and is there a front counter service available at the Passport Office today?

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