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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, who is joined by Ms Georgina O’Mahoney, deputy director of audit. Apologies have been received from Deputy Deering. We are going directly to our engagement with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. With the agreement of the committee, we will stop at approximately 11.30 a.m. to allow members to be in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I ask Mr. Burgess to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. Burgess. Before I call the first speaker, I want to mention one aspect of the passport situation briefly. We might come back to it later. I thank Mr. Burgess for the information on processing times, which we have received in the last day or so. I want to verify some of what Mr. Burgess has said and highlight the problem areas that exist. Am I right in saying that the only...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I do not think Mr. Burgess said exactly that. Over 100,000 renewals have been processed so far this year. Over 90% of them have been processed within ten working days. As we all know, some renewals are processed within two or three working days. That is an excellent service. I will mention the biggest issue that people have. Traditionally, many people go through the passport express...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We can come back to the issue later, if members want to do so. Owing to the time schedule, I ask them to stick rigidly to their 20-minute, 15-minute and ten-minute time limits. Time permitting, I will allow members back in a second time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it the Department of Justice and Equality?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is that Garda vetting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Do staff require to be Garda vetted to work in the Passport Office because they are dealing with people's private details?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Would this require a stamp by a Garda?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Passport Office roughly covers its costs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Can the Department send the committee a schedule of the countries in which we own the embassies? I am sure the witnesses have it, but they can send it on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Also, please send a schedule of countries in which we are renting setting out the rental costs per location. That will answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Murphy is speaking about people who are already in the system through Passport Express.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is the problem. They are locked into that channel.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Six and a half five-day weeks amounts to 33 days. The message today for first-time applicants or those who have lost their passports is that applications through the Passport Express system will take six and a half weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is the message the Department needs to get out so that people might opt for the other route.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: A sign must be placed in post offices where people make their passport applications - and nowhere else - because they will see it in front of them. We can talk about Twitter, Facebook and websites, but the 200,000 people who have used the Passport Express service so far this year should see a sign in front of them in the post offices. That is where they would see it because they could not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: They genuinely need to work on that issue because An Post will claim it is not up to An Post to explain delays in the Passport Office. They are two State bodies and should put the sign up between the two of them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: An Post.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is An Post, a semi-State body. I have made my point. I come back to Deputy Catherine Murphy.

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