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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay. We are going around in circles on this particular issue. I do not accept what Mr. Fraser said. It is Government that sets the policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: It is. It can be done-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The Government brings it forward. We are dancing on the head of a pin which is unnecessary because I am not suggesting anybody is culpable or responsible. I am trying to get answers on behalf of the taxpayers who will have to foot this bill. The cost has increased from less than €5 million to €20 million. I am not saying that is the fault of the Department, the Taoiseach,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: It will.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: In Mr. Fraser's opinion, it will but we have no idea what that figure might be.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: There is an issue here. The Oireachtas committed initially to writing a cheque for less than €5 million. The cost has now increased to €20 million. I appreciate the point that is being made by the Accounting Officer, that there has been consultation with Oireachtas Members and Opposition leaders, but people will be concerned about the fact that costs have increased from...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Did they outline work actually done.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: It is extended until March, as far as I know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Again, I do not know what has happened since so I am asking-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Am I right in saying that the extension is until March and that a further extension will be necessary?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: To be clear, there was a meeting with the Opposition and there was agreement to an extension until March. That means it either has to be extended again or a decision has to be made to do something else. Is that Mr. Fraser's understanding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Who signed off on the hourly rates for the Cregan commission?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Which Department was that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I wish to pick up on something that was raised earlier by Teachta Connolly. Mr. Moloney, referenced challenges in his opening statement and cited the legislative programme as an issue that has added to the workload of his office. Please talk me through that. There is a constitutional provision that the office can only give advice to Government. I mean the role of the Attorney General is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Good. That is why I want Mr. Moloney to talk me through exactly what he does and his role. He said "both in the formulation of advice on legislative provisions as well as their actual drafting". What is the specific role of the Office of the Attorney General in those areas?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: At what stage does that happen? Is it at a stage before any work is done on the Bill? Would it be like heads of Bill? At what point does the Office of the Attorney General come into it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Is it before, during and after?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: If an idea comes into a Minister's head and he or she says he or she wants it to become a Bill, is it at that point that the office becomes involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Yes.

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