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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: As there are no other members looking to come in, I will do so. I walked around the outside of the site yesterday and I saw that the outer shell is clearly taking shape. A number of people are working outside in that regard, but the big challenge is we do not know what is happening inside. What we have heard this morning about the level of work and the fitting out that needs to be carried...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Is Mr. Devine saying that all the wiring for the windows is done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Is that element of the work well advanced?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: What is a ballpark figure for the completion. Mr. Devine referred to the compliance programme. The sense is there are not enough staff doing that type of work. We would like to think there has been a huge amount of work done since the time when we were walking around there, but when we talk to people who are on site, the story they give us, as Mr. Devine said himself this morning, is that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: What does Mr. Devine hope is going to come out of the compliance programme from his perspective? Is he going to get a sense that there will be additional staff? Are the contractors going to make up the ground that has been lost?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: When the compliance programme comes out, will we have a better sense of when the job will be finished?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Is Mr. Devine saying that next week when we get this compliance programme we should have a good sense of when this job should be finished?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: I am stretching it out. I am asking because we have not known up to now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: I am working on the basis we did not get it this week so we might get it next week.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Okay. That is fine. Lastly, the witnesses referred to the €756 million in claims. Do we have any sense at this stage of what it will cost in legal fees? How much has it cost up to now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Mr. Gunning can come back to us on it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: The worrying thing, and one of the members has commented on this, is that the longer this goes on, the more it will cost and, it would appear, the more money the contractor will receive. Maybe that is not fair to the contractor, but the figure relating to claims is nearly coming up to the figure of the original cost. That would suggest there is some strategy, in that the board is being...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: I know they are claims.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: However, there seems to be a strategy on the part of one party in this. That is a really worrying development in relation to how long this will go on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: I presume BAM would have a different view in relation to that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Maybe at some stage we might get a sense of what it is or is not saying. I call Deputy Cullinane.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: Three Deputies are indicating. They will have seven minutes each. Deputy Hourigan is first, followed by Deputy Shortall.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: I call Deputy Shortall.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: The Deputy has 30 seconds. Can she ask a question and get a response in 30 seconds?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Seán Crowe: I need to bring the meeting to an end. I will make one additional point regarding the additional capital request to Government. The media are reporting that, as of yet, the Department has not received a formal request for additional funding. That is not the understanding of the development board. Such a request has been sent in.

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