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Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Assisted Human Reproduction Coalition (21 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: I thank Ms Bonnie.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Assisted Human Reproduction Coalition (21 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: That was much easier than normal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Assisted Human Reproduction Coalition (21 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: It is an exceptional piece of work. I thank Ms O'Connell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Assisted Human Reproduction Coalition (21 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: Hear, hear.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Assisted Human Reproduction Coalition (21 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: I would say equating every international surrogacy with an exploitative situation and making assumptions about countriesen masse stigmatises children and equips haters with reasons to hate them. My daughter is very proud and knows everything about her origins. We were fortunate in that we had assistance to carry out due diligence that perhaps others would not have had. That is why I want...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: I thank our guests for their opening statements and contributions and I thank Ms Gamble for the briefing document, which I appreciated. There are more than 67 million people residing in the UK. Much of the argument for the need for international surrogacy in Ireland comes down to population and the fact there would not be the same availability of people willing to be surrogate mothers here....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: Okay. I thank Ms Gamble. Does Dr. Horsey have anything to add?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: Okay. That is great. That brings us to the countries people would go to. We are hoping to have an assisted human reproduction authority here. My hope is that would be a place of knowledge and experience about what has happened or about surrogacy and even within Ireland about recommended clinics, licensed clinics abroad, and maybe recommended countries and clinics within that country so we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: My third question concerns the definition of commercial surrogacy, and the fact that there is not a recognised definition of it. We have everything from compensated surrogacy, as in the Canadian model, all the way through to absolute exploitation and criminal behaviour. I think the term "commercial surrogacy" can be weaponised in the hands of those who do not want surrogacy. They will draw...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: We hear the allegation that domestically we are not allowing exploitation but internationally we are. This is to presuppose women in Ireland can have informed consent and make the decision to enter into a surrogacy agreement but somehow women abroad cannot do so. I want to label this for what it is. It is making an assumption that somehow if people do not live in Ireland they do not have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: How is maternity leave and maternity benefit dealt with?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: I was asking about both maternity leave and maternity benefit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: I will make two absolute points. I thank Ms Gamble for her clarification that in the Indian example, the decision came from the Indian Government and was done in conjunction with a supreme court decision in India that it would not be a destination. That does not mean ethical surrogacies were not entered into in India and given that many children in Ireland were born via surrogacy in India,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: This has been an instructive and good discussion. I thank everyone for that. I feel the need to begin by saying we must be sure that the characterisation of intended parents reflects that they are not out to snatch any child. Neither do they ever consider their surrogate mother to be nothing, but as the person who gave birth to their precious and much-wanted child. I clarify this point,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: I agree. In straightforward gestationalin vitrofertilization, IVF, I can go to a clinic, and, with the exception of our next witness's clinic, everyone along the way is paid. The clinic is paid. We do not get into the morality of the size of the payment and the fact that people have to travel to Prague to get cheaper IVF services than they would in Ireland if planning to carry the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: Exactly. It is not unique to fertility.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: My view on issues like that is that some of it is prohibition by stealth at times. I felt the first iteration of the assisted human reproduction Bill was going down that route. Dr. Mulligan talked about the donor end of things and surrogacy being transparent. By its very nature, it is obligatory to be transparent about it. This is really a matter of record rather than a question as such....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: The ECHR said "can" but not "must".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Mary Seery Kearney: It is important that even though it is on the table arising out of the French case, for instance, to come away from-----

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