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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: That was a comprehensive answer. I have questions for the IPU. There has been much talk about the RP. When people train to become pharmacists in college, how much is orientated towards veterinary issues? The IPU is best placed to answer that question. Is there a substantial element of veterinary issues in training to be a pharmacist? The union mentioned the HPRA task force recommended...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I suggest that Mr. Curley will answer the questions posed by Deputy Browne when the Deputies return. As the Chairman has explained, Senator Dolan and I will ask questions and if we get answers then I will suspend the meeting until the Deputies return. Like Deputy Fitzmaurice, I am trying to get my head around this matter. Mr. Curley is very well versed and knowledgeable about this matter...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: It will not be when wetted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Mr. Curley is saying the emphasis will be on arable land and that if somebody sets grass, it will be accepted as restoration. Am I picking him up correctly on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Consider the case of land that has been in grass for the past 20 to 50 years, for sheep or other livestock, and that has peaty soil although it has never had turf harvested from it commercially or otherwise. Is that land part of the land being targeted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: So, what happens the man who already has land in grass? Is Mr. Curley saying that a man who agrees to put grass cover on land that he is currently tilling will be returning it to a state in which it will capture carbon?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I do not wish Mr. Curley to get me wrong. I am not in any way attempting to shoot the messenger. I am asking these questions to get my own head around the issue. I know we are probably on the one page. Will land that is already drained and used for grazing not be far less poached than land that is wetted and still used for grazing? A lot more carbon could be released if the water level...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: It kind of makes sense. None of it makes sense and it all makes sense, if you know what I mean. When we started out today, having read Mr. Curley's presentation, and when Deputy Fitzmaurice was asking his questions, I was happy that because we have so many commercial Bord na Móna bogs out of commission, we could have met all our targets. Now Mr. Curley is saying only 20% of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Why would that be? One would imagine that if the idea is to hold carbon or improve biodiversity, the Bord na Móna bogs are the ones that need to be targeted. When Mr. Curley said only 20% of the land could be Bord na Móna owned, it sounded to me as if the measure was almost specifically designed to target agriculture.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: We will wait until Deputy Fitzmaurice comes back for Mr. Curley to go through the timelines. This might sound of the radar to Mr. Curley. The land I am talking about, which is probably the same in his situation, is at home where my father, God be good to him, got EU money to drain it. Now, depending on where the funding is coming from, be it compensation or otherwise, it sounds as though...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I will go back on what Mr. Curley said there a minute ago. Is there a possibility that restoration to original quality could mean deforestation on peatlands where there had been forestry?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I was in the Chair earlier when the Deputies were away. Deputy Fitzmaurice must have been detained because we brought up this issue and Mr. Curley said he would wait until Deputy Fitzmaurice came back because the Deputy had asked about it. As Deputy Fitzmaurice must have been detained Mr. Curley will probably have to go through it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Deputy Fitzmaurice must have been detained. Mr. Curley can fire ahead with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target: COPA-COGECA (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I appreciate that it is not Mr. Curley's brief, but I wish to ask about international trade agreements with the EU and whether we will import foodstuffs in particular from areas we do not expect to meet the same kind of standards that will be set in the new laws. I refer specifically to the importation of food from Brazil where I presume they will still be removing rainforests at the same...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Has the ILMA engaged with the Department on this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: I welcome the witnesses. As they quite rightly said, they have addressed this matter previously. We have been here before and have gone through in detail all the potential pitfalls of what was on the table. With that in mind, there is no need to go back over all that and rehash old ground. I would like the representatives to elaborate a little more based on their experiences. They have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: I apologise for interrupting but I also meant to ask how the larger co-operatives that might have an in-house vet are finding it. Is that not a solution? Is there still a problem when there is an in-house vet, or why is that not working?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: To return to the in-house vets issue, Mr. Doyle indicated the VCI guidelines or regulations are inhibiting that and not helping it work. Why is that the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: Will Mr. Carroll answer the question about fertiliser?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: I have one more question. I had not wanted to hog the time at the beginning in case we ran out of time. If the committee has a bit of time I have one more question.

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