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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: In the opening statement of the Chair of the RTÉ board, Ms Ní Raghallaigh stated it appeared to her that this was an act designed to deceive. That is the core point. Is that view shared by the entire board?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Is that view shared by the executive?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: That view is shared by the executive.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: The crux of the matter is who set out to deceive and whether it was an individual, as some would like to portray it, or whether it was a number of people who came together to deceive. I am not sure if we will get to the bottom of that at this meeting but it is the crux of the question. Returning to a point that was raised when the director of finance was asked when he was first approached...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Was that in writing?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: At that point, Mr. Collins expressed that he did not have any concerns around Noel Kelly being given this type of consultancy work. That did not set off any alarm bells or raise any flags of concern for Mr. Collins.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: If he does not mind, for the record, how much is Mr. Collins paid as chief finance officer?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: This is extraordinary. It has taken over a minute to get a very basic answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: I thank Mr. Collins for that. He has wound down a lot of my time and I hope the Chair will note that. Mr. Collins is paid an extraordinary amount of money. Essentially he became a message boy for Dee Forbes, the director general. Rather than doing his specific role, he took a message directly from the director general, did not question it and brought it back to Deloitte. Is that what Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Is it not Mr. Collins's role to discover untruths and get proper, truthful answers in relation to all financial matters?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: On the meeting on 7 March, Mr. Collins went back to Deloitte and Deloitte went back to the director general at that point with his understanding and Deloitte was unhappy with the response given at that point. Yesterday, Adrian Lynch, when asked a specific question about Ryan Tubridy's announcement on 16 March that he was stepping down from his role presenting "The Late Late Show", said there...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Ryan Tubridy could well have been informed by somebody that these concerns had been raised.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Did Mr. Collins have any conversations with Noel Kelly or Mr. Tubridy about this process?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Is anyone aware of any conversations or discussions that the director general may have had with the agent representing Mr. Tubridy or Mr. Tubridy himself?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Okay. It would be reasonable to say that the process of uncovering these payments could well have influenced Ryan Tubridy’s decision to step down from his role presenting “The Late Late Show”.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: It is possible. I want to focus on the first year of the tripartite deal and the payments. Ms O’Leary already stated that she negotiated and was responsible for that part.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: On the credit note issued by Renault, who issued-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: To Renault.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Had they sought that credit note?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

John Brady: Where did the request for the credit note go from there?

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