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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of 2014 Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: We might get back to it towards the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of 2014 Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: Good. I call Deputy Pearse Doherty. I am keeping to the time limits.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of 2014 Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: I call Deputy Sean Fleming and will give five minutes to each of the main spokespersons.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: I agree with those sentiments. As Deputy Pearse Doherty stated beforehand, we should seek clarification on the letter from the Minister.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: It is disappointing that we pushed it to more partisan-type politics, but if members want to do that, that is the way it happens.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: We might move that discussion to another day, if Senator Byrne does not mind-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: -----because there are witnesses who have been waiting outside since ten o'clock. It is also important for this committee that we do not keep witnesses waiting too long. They have already been waiting for 40 minutes. We will suspend for a minute to allow the witnesses to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of 2014 Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: First, I apologise to everyone who is in front of the committee today. Unfortunately, we had a motion, and a vote on that motion, that has delayed us significantly. I apologise that the witnesses have been kept waiting. I welcome Dr. Nat O'Connor and Dr. Tom McDonnell from TASC and Dr. Seán Healy, Sr. Brigid Reynolds and Ms Michelle Murphy from Social Justice Ireland. Members have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: We will deal with the motion first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: Not at this stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: Yes, unfortunately.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: The problem is that we must deal with the motion; we cannot table an amendment to it now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: An amendment would have to be notified two days in advance of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: It is up to the Deputy to put his motion, even though other proposals seeking clarification have been put to the committee. Other members can seek clarification-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: We can still write to the Minister to seek clarification on the back of what has been discussed previously. However, with regard to the actual motion, I have no choice but to put it to a vote.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: There are witnesses waiting. If anyone else wants to comment, he or she may do so briefly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: Deputy O’Donnell is not talking about begging the Minister. He is suggesting that we write to the Minister requesting the information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: Deputy Dooley, you said you wanted to see cross-party consensus and wanted us to act like a committee. Deputy O’Donnell is proposing-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: We have to ask where the politics are in this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Joint Committee (11 Sep 2013)

Liam Twomey: Deputy O’Donnell’s suggestion is also a cross-party approach.

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