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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: No, the State delivery was equally bad-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: It was equally bad. Anyway-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: I know, but that is an economic theory and I am telling the Deputy I lived through that. I was part of the Administration.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Is the Deputy finished on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Is that agreed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Any more comments? I know People Before Profit emphasises the lack of profit but, unfortunately, not everybody volunteers. Until such time as one gets hundreds of thousands of volunteers, we are not going to go that route.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: We will argue that case and if we may want to remove the profit element from the private side, and give it to the State side, or vice versa. I am very fond of the Deputy and he is a nice guy and all of that kind of thing, but I would not go that far.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: I do not go that route and it would not be a wise thing for the State to take that route.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Does any other member wish to comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: I call Deputy Jim O'Callaghan now, please, who is up in the gantry.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: I thank Deputy O'Callaghan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: In a good state.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: We have come to the end of today's meeting. I thank our witnesses and the members of the committee for their engagement today. The joint committee is now adjourned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Why, then, do we not do more of it? I can think of several examples of potential projects in this regard. For example, the road surfaces in this city, to a large extent, are some of the worst I have ever seen. A classic example is manhole covers. Very often, these are an inch to two inches below the level of the road surface. I cannot understand how this situation is allowed to continue...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships: Discussion (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: It is an economic theory. Anyway, we will hear from Mr. Dorgan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: I thank our guests for their presence this morning and for the information they have given. This is a very important issue and one that has received adverse publicity in the past, institutionally and in general. The provision of assistance with mobility, personal hygiene, nutrition, hydration and toileting or prompting or supervising such activities where a person is otherwise unable to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Who would have that information? It is vital information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: Who should supervise the service? Should be it nursing homes, general hospitals or a professional unit within the HSE? I feel that it should be a body with practical experience, for example, the nursing homes, the hospitals or something similar.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: A broad level of services are anticipated. We get complaints from time to time, generally from the services’ users. Some users are very pleased, some are not pleased, but all of them have different requirements. This is where the difficulty arises. It is difficult to deliver a daily service across a dispersed area with a high degree of quality to people with different needs. For...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Bernard Durkan: We have all spoken about my next point from time to time. Fifty patients can be catered for more easily in an institutional setting than in a dispersed rural area or, to a lesser extent, an urban area, but both groups have to be provided with a standardised level of service.

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