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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Perhaps when Professor Fitzgerald's work is done, we can return to this at a future date. I appreciate what he says, that the process must conclude-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I am not concerned about any articles in the newspapers.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: The problem when an institution has a credibility issue, through no one's fault but that of the institution, is that the Committee of Public Accounts has had before it Professor Fitzgerald's predecessor and others who said that information that was in the public domain was inaccurate and a misrepresentation when, in fact, it was not. In that respect, I refer to Professor Fitzgerald's opening...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: As a corporate body.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Anyone would describe that as lies. If we are dropping the niceties, that is how I would describe it.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: That makes perfect sense.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I understand that, but it did happen, and the Comptroller and Auditor General will appreciate that this is very serious. As Mr. McCarthy says, he would have walked away were it in the private sector because other people would have been dealing with it. Is it also the case that documents were invented or misrepresented?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Which is false and misleading.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: It is false and misleading. Issues of bad performance, which was not the case, were also raised.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Am I correct in saying that those performance issues were an invention?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: The conclusion I draw from that is that it was an invention, which is my point. The Comptroller and Auditor General cannot deal with individuals. However, I will put it to Professor Fitzgerald or Mr. Ó Foghlú. If there were individuals in the institution who deliberately misled the Comptroller and Auditor General, the Committee of Public Accounts, the Department of Education and...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: When Professor Fitzgerald says "stepped down from their position", are they still working in the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Are they gone from the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Are they gone from the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: They are not gone from the university. The persons who intentionally backdated that letter remain in the university.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Are they still in the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: They are still employed there. What sanction has been imposed on them for the actions of deliberately and intentionally misleading the Comptroller and Auditor General?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Therefore, Professor Fitzgerald is telling me that the sanction against these individuals was that, in co-operation with the university, they would step away from their positions and take up other positions. That is completely unacceptable.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I am conscious there are individuals involved and I support the Chair's decision to go into private session. However, I want to strongly make the point that I have not identified any individuals, nor have I identified their positions. What I have identified are actions that are recorded in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report where there was a deliberate and intentional attempt to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Given that the process that led to those conditions was flawed, will Professor Fitzgerald and Mr. Ó Foghlú answer how that money will be recouped?

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