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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. O'Mahony to give us a feel for what is happening. He can send the information in writing during the week. If he has it with him, that would be great.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: How many were held in public and how many in private?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thought there was a presumption that hearings were generally to be held in public.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is what the legislation ultimately said on that issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: When the legislation was before the Houses, there was a major dispute about whether all hearings should be held in public. People have been given the option. Did Ms Gallagher indicate that only 10% of the 700 cases the commission dealt with last year went to hearings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Through correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am pleased to hear that. I had the impression earlier that there were a large number of hearings relative to the overall number of cases, but hearings account for only 10% of cases or even less.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it similar to mediation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I understand. It allows for the exchange of information and for issues to be addressed. Could I get the figure again for the net amount of the €1.6 billion that is in dispute? Is the net figure €1.1 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will come to that in the afternoon. In other words, it is more than a third of it. Everybody thinks €1.6 billion is due but that is not the case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will go back to Revenue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We ask the commission to supply more information on the cases in hand. We want an age analysis of that. How many cases have been ongoing for three months, between three and six months and between six and 12 months? It is not sufficient to simply use the heading "legacy". We want to know the timing of the legacy in terms of how many cases have been ongoing for two years, three years or...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will put this to Revenue as well in the afternoon.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Revenue can provide additional information. Both bodies will have to work together.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is Ms Donaghy in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform or the Department of Finance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: How can the extra four staff be recruited?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has the Department factored into that process the fact that if Revenue were to put in a review system. as happens in social welfare. it might prevent cases arising? We got a briefing note from a body other than the Tax Appeals Commission showing there has been an almost exponential increase in the number of cases. In 2012, the figure was 247 but this increased to 356 in 2013, 498 in 2014...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We do not want to give the TAC only what is required from now until Christmas. My main criticism is that, given the importance of the issue, the new system established has not been on the scale required to allow it to be up and running. It seems the approach has been one of allowing the Department to work it out in that it will provide two commissioners and four staff and then increase...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Did the Revenue transfer the cases to the TAC or was it the taxpayers who transferred the cases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Was that a new process whereby the Revenue could dump some of its old cases over to the TAC?

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