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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Minister of State is making it very clear, but whatever-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What is in public view is what has gone on and was an open secret for years. It is very unsatisfactory, to put it mildly. We understand that. We know there is a transition period, but there is also a requirement for a solution. Most of us want to contribute to that solution. It is very frustrating that we cannot see a pathway. We cannot wait until the ODCE and the Garda complete their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We know what their concerns are. Their concerns are whether they will be paid and whether they will still have jobs. It is not very obvious where the income for that will come from every month. That is part of this transition too. Either the organisation is solvent or it is not. Other than meeting the unions, is a clear pathway available to the Department? Can the Minister see anything...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Has the Minister considered meeting FIFA? That organisation has put normalisation committees in place in other jurisdictions. UEFA clearly has an issue with political interference. Both organisations do. Are there restrictions on what resolutions are available?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: On the total debt, when FIFA representatives spoke with the Department about the restructuring requirements, were they using the 2018 accounts or a higher figure than that? There is an expectation that it will be closer to €75 million or €80 million. What is the extent of FIFA's requirements with regard to restructuring? Did it give a figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Right. I imagine that the new directors and the new CEO will want to come in and have a full stop at the end of 2019. We should see the totality of the debts that require to be restructured. It is important that we have a full stop there so the new board can proceed. It is essential that they take ownership of the resolution also.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Can I ask about the stadium-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. Is the stake in the stadium an asset that is the FAI's to sell? Are covenants in place or has that been explored? If not, will the Department explore that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What has it been valued at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is there any consideration of additional State money being made available for soccer, leaving aside not administering funding through the FAI? Are any funds being looked at, even as a transition arrangement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: No, I am not looking for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I am not looking for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: But is there anything specific?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I shall now turn to oversight, Sport Ireland, and the reliance on external auditors. The same auditors were used for a long time for this entity, which in itself is a lesson. Is Sport Ireland likely to change its governance arrangements to seek rotation after a reasonable period of time as an extra safeguard?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: With the solidarity bit now, is that a Freudian slip?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I have to leave as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: On the KOSI report, people have a problem that when clear wrongdoing is identified, nobody is held to account. A report has gone to the Garda and the ODCE. I certainly want to see a successful outcome to that if possible because that would restore confidence. In the view of the Minister of State, in the absence of a guarantor, be that UEFA, FIFA or the Government, is bank re-financing an option?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is unlikely to happen in the absence of a guarantor, which shows the importance of establishing a high-level group to find a solution. Is this type of engagement happening between Sport Ireland, the Department and the Minister, Deputy Ross?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is some urgency in that the Minister and UEFA are going to meet very soon. They have to be central in all of this as, I believe, does FIFA.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Catherine Murphy: In the absence of a domestic league, there would not be an international league.

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