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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I welcome the Minister of State and his officials to the meeting. As he quite rightly said in his opening statement, this is the second time the committee has addressed this issue. We have already met all of the stakeholders on a couple of occasions and compiled a report. We are now compiling a second report as part of the pre-legislative scrutiny process. Everyone who has appeared...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: From what I heard this evening, if one is on the outside looking in and not as well versed as we are on this subject after our series of meetings over two years then it would seem that a 12-month prescription is a lifeline for merchants, pharmacists and co-operatives. In reality, and for clarity, all that we can put into legislation or regulation is that a prescription can be "up to 12...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I talked about antiparasitic treatments and everyone accepts the requirement regarding an antimicrobial prescription.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Is the Veterinary Council of Ireland on board with that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Is the VCI on board with vets being legally obliged to give me a prescription for a product that I may use 364 days later irrespective of what conditions have changed on my farm or with the climate?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Is it professionally wise that a vet can give me, a farmer, a prescription for a medicine that I can use in 365 days and an RP cannot tell me what I can use tomorrow?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I know, as a farmer, without being a vet or an RP, that depending on whether it is a wet or dry summer, I will not know until the end of that summer season when I go to dose my cattle before putting them inside in the fall because a drought will have one consequence on my land and a very wet summer will have another consequence. I could end up therefore, throwing a prescription I get in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: They will not do it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I have one more point to make on this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Is it true that if farmers go to the merchant with a vet's prescription the responsible person dealing with them must give the exact product on the prescription and cannot give a generic equivalent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: The Department has accommodated them by tying them to a list. This is where I was coming from in my first point. The responsible person will not have that much wriggle room if I have a prescription since March and I have had a bad summer. The provider will have to give what the Department and the HPRA have decided is an identical product.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Veterinarians will not deal with anyone, and they would be in the right not to. It would not be professionally ethical for them to do it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I will be brief as most of the questions I intended asking have already been asked, that last question being one of them. I see the relevance and the importance of the Bill and I welcome it. We want to see it in action but there is a slight flaw in the sense that the register is going to record what a person purchases, not what is spread. I can see the Northern Ireland Border issue being a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Does the Minister of State think that will work, again going back to the question on the Border?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I hope it does but I have reservations. I would prefer if there was some way of monitoring what is actually spread rather than what is purchased. With the border issue, there will be opportunities for a very intensive farmer, who will have a neighbour or family member who might not be near as intense, and they will put fertiliser on their register. That potential is there. I am not saying...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (6 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: This morning I want to discuss again the latest narrative on potential energy shortages. The Minister with responsibility for energy needs to come to the House for a debate on the issue. I would like to see the debate focused on the role of the energy companies in this potential and threatened crisis. I can give a number of examples. I have been contacted by somebody who installed solar...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I welcome the representatives from the ILMA and the IPU. I will be brief because as I said last week, we have been over a lot of this and are at the stage where we want to be solution-focused. There is a lot of correlation between what we heard from both groups and what we heard from ICOS last week. What are the ILMA's issues with the Bill?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Based on the figures from the witnesses about the drop-off in antimicrobials and what we heard last week, what are the ultimate consequences for them if those changes are not made?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Is it down to the responsible person? How can these issues be addressed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I have a final question for the association. I am conscious that we do not want to fully concentrate on the veterinary medicine issue. The Bill also includes the fertiliser register. Many of ILMA's members sell fertiliser too. How are they fixed with regard to the implementation of technology and related training that will be required?

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