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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes, we know that bit. Time is of the essence.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: As CFO, you did not have a problem with those payments being listed as consultancy fees?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: No but afterwards, when you-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Was it concluded prior to you starting as CFO?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes but was the deal concluded, done and dusted, prior to you taking up your position or just after you took it up?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: My question is whether it was concluded before you took up you position. That is a "Yes" or "No".

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: After you took it up. You did not have an issue either with-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: No, but as CFO, you did not say "Hold on a second, that is going in there as 'consultant fees' when we know that this is a top-up payment to Ryan Tubridy." You, as CFO, did not say "Hold on, that is incorrect accountancy, that is not right." Why would you let that go?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Why did you not call out the concealment of those fees going into a barter account under the heading of "consultancy fees"? Why, as CFO, would you let that go?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Would you stop?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: You did not ask. The CFO did not ask.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: You had no oversight of that at all.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Just two more questions-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: No, time is of the essence.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: So you were oblivious to it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: Oblivious to it as CFO. Okay. You were before the Committee of Public Accounts in January 2022 when the director general, Dee Forbes, stated to the members of the Oireachtas committee that the reduction in pay and salaries for the top earners had been achieved. Now we know that in Ryan Tubridy's case that was not correct, to say the least. You sat there and did not correct that as CFO....

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: You what?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: You did not know that this commercial deal was done with Ryan Tubridy. Is that what you are saying? You had no idea. That is not what you said a few minutes ago.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: But you knew he was not being paid in jelly tots. You knew there was money being handed over, so you knew when those salary figures were published that, in Ryan Tubridy's case, that figure was not correct.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Imelda Munster: And you sat there and said nothing.

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