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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Driscoll also said an assessment had been made that the farmer had sufficient expertise and was in a position to carry out the slaughter of his 4,000 pigs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I heard that. I was listening very carefully to Mr. O'Driscoll and I am aware that he has the letter, that it was not his first option and that he had suggested a different route. Why on earth would Mr. O'Driscoll have accepted the farmer's offer to slaughter 4,000 of his own pigs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: We understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I know, and Mr. O'Driscoll gave some evocative detail as to the precision and mastery Mr. Galvin had of it, according to Mr. O'Driscoll. However, I am still troubled by the fact that we have been told that a proportion of the herd was killed by being bludgeoned to death.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: At what stage in the slaughter did it happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. O'Driscoll think ten pigs were bludgeoned?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I want to stay with the bludgeoning, and then we will come to the humane killing. It was alleged that 50 pigs were bludgeoned. Presumably, on the ten occasions a veterinary official was present to witness it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Therefore, where did Mr. O'Driscoll get the figure of ten?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Slaughter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Driscoll's account is that an official who was there for the purposes of carcass removal witnessed ten pigs being bludgeoned.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. O'Driscoll have records to support his account?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I find it all very strange. There is a direct contradiction between what the farmer has told us and what Mr. O'Driscoll is telling us. The farmer produced video evidence, which Mr. O'Driscoll has seen.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Driscoll has conceded that ten animals were bludgeoned, not 50, and that it did not happen under supervision, although an official was present, saw it happen and intervened by removing the lump hammer. I do not know how we can get to the bottom of something like this. We can safely say that, in any event, no animal ought to have been bludgeoned.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Chairman will have to assist me as to how to proceed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not convinced by Mr. O'Driscoll's account of events. In fairness to Mr. O'Driscoll, this might be because he does not have the paperwork in front of him or for other reasons. I am not immediately drawing a negative in that respect, but to me it is a garbled, half account of what seems to have happened here. As part of the information the Department returns to the committee, I ask it in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I ask for a clear sequence of events.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is the issue. The Department was there for 25%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of course it is.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: What was the Department's interaction with the Veterinary Council in that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I presume Mr. O'Driscoll has had sight of the report of the conclusions of that investigation.

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