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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: He will send us the details.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Conaghan take us back to the beginning and set out when the audit started? How many of the 209 people were covered? Did it start with people who had already been diagnosed and were the 209 then included. I do not know which came first.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy MacSharry.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Was that done by the HR department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Are they net increases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to let in some Deputies who have not contributed yet. That is the only reason I want to hurry the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Woods to provide the committee with a detailed note on the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Mulvany saying that even though the HSE knows there is an issue, it has taken into income and is now considering what it might have to be provided against? Was it prudent to take it into income in the first instance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: It was in income already.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: And the different categories, such as home help versus nursing versus locum doctors and so on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will the witnesses please send in a detailed note on this to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Before I call Deputy Aylward, I remind those present that this session started at 2.30 p.m. If someone needs to step out for a break, I will not stop the meeting because we will lose our momentum. I hope that we will conclude by 5.30 p.m., but do not hold me to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will aim to finish at 5.30 p.m. but if someone needs to step out, please do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I just want to concur with everything Deputy O'Connell has said. It is not that the witnesses have better work to do; it is other work to do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I asked the same question. There was a time when the top six or eight senior gardaĆ­ were before the committee on a regular basis. I asked, "Who is out catching criminals if you are in here every week?" I sympathise and I appreciate exactly what is being said.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: In a backhanded way, it is a compliment to all of the witnesses here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Secretary General of the Department of Health to answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is a refund from the company for overpaying in the first place.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Aylward was right to highlight the matter.

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