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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Can we agree what we are doing next week?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Can we correspond with the clerk on any evidence or witnesses, etc.?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: At what time are we coming back?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I thank the witnesses for coming in today. To carry on with the car analogy, I appreciate that the Department is not a back seat driver but it is our job to make sure that the Department makes sure that the Garda Commissioner and senior Garda management are passing their NCT every year but from what we are reading, they are not. I am going to ask a series of questions and would appreciate...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In fairness, he referenced the year but he did not know the month. I would not have expected him to know the month-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There was a meeting in June 2008 attended by those mentioned by Mr. Waters and by Mr. Waters himself-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: -----but Mr. Waters has no recollection of it at all.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: According to the records, the meeting was convened to discuss issues relating to financial management in Templemore. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It was not an alarming meeting, obviously, if Mr. Waters cannot remember anything from it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Nobody in the Department, on a day to day or month to month basis, was managing the relationship with An Garda Síochána since 2006, in terms of its financial management. No one in the Department had a co-ordination, oversight, communication or other role in terms of liaising or working with An Garda Síochána on financial management, financial requirements, the total of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was there not a Mr. Harris who was in charge of this whole area?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was he not aware of any of this? Did anyone in the Department ever ask what was happening to the revenues that were being raised in Templemore? Did anyone ever ask these questions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Who followed on? I am trying to establish whether there is somebody within the corporate structure of the Department who works with An Garda Síochána on managing its Vote. What if the Garda Commissioner decides, for instance, that An Garda Síochána needs a new fleet of cars? Surely there is somebody from the Department who meets Garda management regularly, asks what is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: So how in the name of God did that person not know what was going on in Templemore?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Did the person not ask any questions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There were revenues being generated down there and land was being bought. In terms of the Garda Vote over a number of years, did no one notice that money was coming in - I think it was €37,000 per annum - in rent that was not going to the OPW but was included in the Garda Vote?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We have established that there is always somebody whose job it is to liaise with the Garda to manage its Vote and financial affairs. We have established that and I presume there is somebody doing it at the moment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It comes under Mr. O'Callaghan now. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: How long has Mr. O'Callaghan been in the role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There has been somebody there all the way through. There has always been somebody in the Department to take on that role. I presume the person has other roles as well, to be fair. There were questions asked in 2008 and there was a meeting. From 2006 on, did anyone in the Department of Justice and Equality ever say anything or question anything about financial management in Templemore even...