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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: We would appreciate it if Mr. Griffin could come back to the committee with the information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Verona Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I will allow the Deputy back in shortly, if possible. If not, we will get the information in writing. I call Deputy Alan Dillon.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I will allow the Deputy to come back in. I must try to stick to the ten minutes to allow all members to contribute. Deputy McAuliffe has not joined us yet and Deputy Sherlock is held up in the Chamber. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I am sorry, Deputy. I will break now if people want to get refreshments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will resume in approximately five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: The next committee member to speak is Deputy Sherlock but he has not joined us yet so we will move on to Deputy Colm Burke.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: Is the Deputy's question for Mr. Griffin?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have some questions on the national broadband plan. Back in June, in reply to a parliamentary question, it was stated that 4,000 homes out of the 115,000 originally targeted for this year were competed. On 15 September there were 23,000, according to the CEO of National Broadband Ireland. There are now 27,000. We have clarified this today. The target is 60,000 so there are 33,000...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: We are down to half the target. My point is that half the year was not missed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: NBI-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I saw NBI vans going around in the springtime. There was some level of operation going on. I want to ask about the penalties. This is something that we need to nail down today. On 1 June, I asked the Minister of State, Deputy Ossian Smyth, in the Dáil about this. He said that as he understood it, there were none in the current contract. The reply to a parliamentary question I put...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: The only penalty financially is that the company does not get paid.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: If a carpenter doing work in a house starts and does a bit of it and then goes away and comes back, and keeps coming and going over a period of time so that two weeks' work takes the better part of a year, that carpenter will not get paid until the job is finished. It is common enough and I have a little bit of experience of it. That carpenter is happy enough to have held the job and the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: Yes, I understand that but they are the same laws of economics.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I want to move on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: There are no financial penalties.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Mulligan is one of the main people overseeing this in the Department. He and I discussed this matter a couple of years ago, along with Mr. Ó hÓbáin. The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, on 3 April 2019, issued observations and memos for the Minister's attention. I have copies in front of me. The Department set out its concerns. The document I have to hand,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: The question I have for Mr. Griffin-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Chapter 9 - Remediation of Landfill Sites
(14 Oct 2021)

Brian Stanley: I understand that the Government signed off on it at the time but the concerns raised by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, including professional people working in that Department, made many of us nervous about the whole process at the time. Those of us who were on the communications committee at the time were very concerned about it.

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