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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Has Mr. McCarthy read the European Commission's country-specific report on housing? An article in The Irish Timesfrom 27 February states: "The European Commission has strongly criticised the Government’s housing policy, suggesting rapidly rising rents, insufficient residential construction and a lack of affordable and social housing were driving increased rates of homelessnes [sic] in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. McCarthy accept its findings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The European Commission's report, and the homelessness figures published yesterday by Mr. McCarthy's Department showing record levels of almost 10,000 people, children and families, who are homeless does not suggest that the Department is getting to grips with the housing crisis. We have record levels of homelessness and, as the report says, a lack of residential construction and lack of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay, but the problem is that the targets - in my view - lack ambition. One can set whatever targets one likes but if they do not aspire to substantially deal with the housing crisis, one can say the targets are substantially being met. Given the level of homelessness, however, and the European Commission's report the evidence suggests that targets are not sufficient and they need to be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Sorry Mr. Murray but we are dealing with 2018. We are always being told and promised that there will be more delivery in 2019, 2020 and 2021. We can only judge each local authority on what they have delivered this year and in previous years. We are in the midst of a housing crisis. I believe that Mr. Murray's Limerick City and County Council achieved 80% of its target.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: There were 112 new builds for Limerick City and County Council. This includes local authority approved housing bodies and Part V units. Does Mr. Murray believe that 122 units in a city and county the size of Limerick that are real social housing builds is an acceptable number? The target was only 80% met. It is not an acceptable target, and it is not acceptable to not meet the target and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Can Mr. Murray stand over the 112 new builds?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I would imagine that part and parcel of that overall figure given by Mr. Murray is RAS and HAP also.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Yes. Absolutely - when I talk about new builds. I will come back to Mr. McCarthy shortly on the total spend on RAS and HAP. Moving on from Limerick, Galway City Council only met 25% of its new build target and only 27% of its overall target, which would include builds, acquisitions and leasing. Westmeath County Council only met 34% of its target and Wicklow County Council only met 55% of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I know that. It entails local authority, approved housing body, AHB, and Part V builds.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: No. I am saying that the acquisitions target was 900 but came in at 2,610.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The target for leasing was 2,000 but came in at 1,000 or so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Before I ask two further quick questions, I will make an observation on Traveller accommodation. There has been some discussion of that. The projected spend was €12 million for 2018, but only €6.3 million was spent. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Mr. Murray cited the example of Limerick. We would all accept the challenges he outlined in dealing with the stakeholders, including those who would benefit from the housing's provision. In responding to Deputy Catherine Murphy, he gave the example of a refurbishment or upscaling of a halting site where there were difficulties with removing tenants. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: It entailed improving an existing halting site, but we are asking about new Traveller-specific accommodation. I understand the problems that may occur when upgrading existing halting sites or Traveller-specific accommodation, but the problem is we are not meeting the targets. In fact, the only targets we set for Traveller accommodation are financial ones. We set targets for builds, voids,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I do not mean of funding, but of unit delivery.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I have a final question, but I have signalled that I want to contribute a second time, so I will expand on it then. The threshold for inclusion in the one-stage social housing delivery process increased from €2 million to €6 million. My information is that the Department had to get permission from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to ensure that this was within...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The plan is to increase it, though.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: What was the outcome of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Has it communicated to the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government regarding that review?

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