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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: This researcher who sent the email-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: -----and the responses that would have come back from the vice president. There was correspondence around the memorandum.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I am happy with that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: We could ask for a redacted version of the memorandum.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: No, that is a version of the emails.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I have a question on the leasing of block E in the Civic Centre in Bray about which Teachta Jonathan O'Brien was asking questions. Was that not signed off on by the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: That is extraordinary. The Comptroller and Auditor General is looking at the years 2016 and 2017. Will he be examining these issues in that audit?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Could there be a supplementary report on some of these issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: In this case a lease cost €8 million, including the fit-out, which was not signed off on by the board. Would that be a normal procedure?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay. Will it be dealt with in the 2016 and 2017 audit?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I am seeking clarification on the follow-up meeting with the Department. We should ask that the Department come back in-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The Department of Health. Have we set a date for that meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: They do not mind.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: We could change one word in the document given to each member and whichever one was published-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: As some of the issues are related to policy, will we be circulating the responses to the relevant sectoral committees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I welcome Mr. McCarthy and his team, and Mr. Murray and Ms Maguire. I shall start with the Rebuilding Ireland report on social housing delivery that the committee has received, for which I thank the Department. On page 2 there is a breakdown of the overall delivery by delivery methods such as build, void, acquisition, leasing, rental accommodation scheme, RAS and housing assistance payment,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Yes. A 96% target was achieved for builds and the target for acquisitions was exceeded at 290%. The figures are interesting because some are under the targets with leasing reaching 50% of the target. There were more acquisitions. If one has to move from one delivery method to the other does the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government have to get permission from the Department...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Maybe I can make my question a bit sharper. Has the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government ever had to seek permission from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to move from one delivery method to the other to meet targets?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: What does "engage with" mean? I asked if Mr. McCarthy's Department had to seek permission. What is the methodology? Mr. McCarthy said "engage". Does the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government inform the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform of what it is doing? Does Mr. McCarthy's Department need the permission? Is there a tug of war or tension between the Departments...

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