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Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: We already agreed a few moments ago that of the ten major projects - we are dealing with the major projects - the national children's hospital is, thankfully, the only one with a major cost overrun. I am assuming Mr. Watt and his Department can take credit for the other projects which have come in on budget. However, the one of which we are aware, on which there is a significant cost...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: I have to be precise in my questions and hope Mr. Watt will be equally precise as I only have a ten minute slot. What I am repeating to Mr. Watt is what he has given us in his opening statement, which is that he has a responsibility to support the obtaining of value for money. As Accounting Officer for the Department, is he confident that we have achieved value for money so far at the...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: As somebody who did look at the issue, perhaps we will ventilate it for a moment because it is a reasonable-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: I thank Mr. Watt.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Can I take my time back? I got that.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: I hear what Mr. Watt is saying and I am trying to be extremely fair to him in the sense that I am repeating what he stated in his opening statement that it is his responsibility to ensure there is value for money. The line Ministers and Departments can have their views. I asked Mr. Watt for his. He has somewhat given me a response, but I want to test it in coming back to one report that...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Is that a long-winded way of saying the Department signed off on it? Did the Department sign off on the procurement model to be used? That was the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: May I-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: I do not want to misinterpret the Accounting Officer. To be clear, there was a derogation granted in the procurement process. How rare or popular is the fast-track two-stage procurement model?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Then it is very unusual, is it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Unusual.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Because my time is precious-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: It is not unusual, but it is not unique. It is actually very unusual to use it.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: All of the other ten projects we have discussed have not come in above cost. My point is, as a consequence of using not a unique but a very unusual process, that, lo and behold, it resulted in an overspend of €400 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Perhaps that was not the right thing to do.

Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union (Consequential Provisions) Bill 2019: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (6 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Sometimes sit down.

Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union (Consequential Provisions) Bill 2019: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (6 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: We are talking about a vote. We are not coercing anyone.

Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union (Consequential Provisions) Bill 2019: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (6 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: Hear, hear.

Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union (Consequential Provisions) Bill 2019: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (6 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: I commend the Minister and officials in a range of Departments on the various briefings they provided for Oireachtas Members. They were very helpful in enabling us to speak to the Bill and in progressing it through the Dáil. I want to register with the Ceann Comhairle our disappointment at the fact that many of our amendments were ruled out of order. Many of my colleagues have...

Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union (Consequential Provisions) Bill 2019: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (6 Mar 2019)

David Cullinane: My understanding is that it was done, but if it was not, it will be as we want to table amendments that will be in order in the Seanad next week.

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