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Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: It will be about a ten-year exercise for NAMA from 2010 to 2020.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I do not think Mr. Daly will write a book about it either. I hope the witnesses understand that I am just trying to put in a paragraph about what NAMA did. It took in excess of €71 billion in Irish-controlled bank debt, for which it paid €31 billion. It held it for the State and ultimately disposed of it outside the State to private investment companies. Essentially, we...

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am not saying it is good or bad. I am just trying to write the story.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: So it was nothing to do with Ireland at all.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thought the witnesses would have had a better handle on how much of the debt they took over was now controlled outside the State, as opposed to within the State.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes. I said it started off as a private debt, was nationalised, and is now being reprivatised.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am just trying to follow the geographical money trail. I know there is another chapter for the next decade. I am trying to get the global picture. Statutory declarations under section 172 were mentioned and it was stated that falsely signing a declaration was an offence. Have there been any prosecutions by the Garda relating to section 172 declarations?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: If somebody wants to buy a portfolio from NAMA and sets up a company in Luxembourg to do so, what jurisdiction applies to the section 172 declaration?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: What mechanism does NAMA have to investigate declarations signed by companies based in Luxembourg? I refer specifically to this debt.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has NAMA ever carried out investigations relating to section 172 declarations signed on behalf of organisations outside the State?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am referring to declarations from companies based outside the State. Has NAMA investigated any declarations signed by companies based in other jurisdictions?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: What did NAMA find out about the company in Luxembourg?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has NAMA investigated any section 172 declarations signed by companies based in Luxembourg?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has NAMA investigated any declarations signed by companies based outside the State?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: How many such investigations has NAMA done? Is it ten, 20, 50 or 100?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I refer to investigations rather than completeness and just filling in the form - where NAMA is alerted to a potential problem where it is felt there is a need to investigate-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: I know, but rather than checking if the form is fully completed, because it is fine to have it all on paper, I am concerned that there is no policing of it and what I really want to know is in terms of the investigations that have been carried out. Have any been specifically been carried out on companies that were resident outside of the State?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: So there is no policing-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Seán Fleming: Has that happened in many cases?

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