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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: These figures are discussed widely.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: And you never received that €120,000.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Am I correct? The declared figures that were published at the time were for 2017, €491,667; for 2018, €495,000; and for 2019, €495,000.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Those are the correct total figures that were paid by RTÉ to Tuttle.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: So that is €511,000; €545,000----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I appreciate that but I am looking at it the way a normal person looks at their annual salary.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: This is a challenge. There is a question that is here that people are looking and they are saying, hang on, we talked about it. Everyone talks about the salaries when they are published. Even just to take one year, in 2019, it was declared all over the media and declared before the Oireachtas here, €495,000. Yet Mr. Kelly knew, Tuttle was the company that was paid €545,000,...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Okay, so you knew. I am just conscious of time. Mr. Tubridy mentioned that----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I know, but for us and for the wider public, we did not know and this is the problem.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Mr. Tubridy has said that if the Renault gigs do not happen he is going to pay the money back.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: To whom is he going to pay it back?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Does the cheque or the bank transfer go to pay Astus Limited., Renault or RTÉ?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who does Mr. Tubridy think he is paying it to?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I want to come to Mr. Kelly. He is a very experienced negotiator and we know this in terms of those he represents. I asked the questions when the executive were in here about who was in the room with you. Mr. Kelly kindly outlined to some our colleagues earlier today who he had been dealing with. One of the key people who very clearly knew about some of the deals was Jim Jennings. Is it...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I appreciate that the lawyers would have done it but lawyers do not go out and cut the deal. Lawyers are the ones who will sign off the deal.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: So you were negotiating at the time of the 2020 contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: At the time everyone in RTÉ was accepting there were going to be cuts.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: We know how difficult the situation was. Mr. Kelly is asking us to believe that while Mr. Tubridy could go off and negotiate his book deal or his documentary separately as a contractor, in this instance, while all of these salary cuts were happening in RTÉ, somebody in RTÉ just came to him and said, "Noel, listen, we are going to offer a deal now with Renault, here is the deal."...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Was it Breda who struck the deal?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I appreciate it, but Mr. Kelly knew who this deal was on behalf of.

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