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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Impacts of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Act 2023: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Impacts of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Act 2023: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Are half of them using it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Impacts of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Act 2023: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Is the €11 million good value for money? The Department has spent €65 million in the past two years on IT systems that have not been successful in terms of efficiency and cutting out the red tape, as a Senator said earlier.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: I am conscious of the time so will be as brief as I can. To get into the specifics, the original budget was €2.97 million with a delivery date of June 2021. Is that correct? It was revised to €3.5 million with a delivery date of quarter 2 of 2022. The costs then rose to an outrageous €6.5 million by the time the Arts Council pulled the plug in June 2024. All the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: I will come back to Ms Kennelly on the legal process in a second but I note remarks of the Secretary General, who stated: The Arts Council failed to seek or attain sanction for increases in the budget and resources it was applying to the project in 2021, 2022 and 2023 ... The Department failed to require the Arts Council to meet its obligations under the sanction which was provided and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Ms Kennelly stated, "We have commenced legal proceedings against two contractors and are in the pre-action stage in relation to two others", and the Arts Council is vigorously pursuing its cases to reduce the loss to the taxpayer. What are the names of the contractors from which the Arts Council is pursuing legal redress?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: I am sure Ms Kennelly can do so. In the case of the national children's hospital we all know the contractor is BAM.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Are those the names of the two contractors the Arts Council is pursuing legal redress from?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: For absolute transparency, will Ms Kennelly confirm for the committee whether there is any connection whatsoever between either of those contractors and the Arts Council?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: When did the process commence regarding the legal proceedings?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: I note two more contractors have been added. When were they added?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Was it in February or March?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Would it be fair to ask, would the Arts Council have pursued legal redress on those additional contractors if this had not become public knowledge?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: The Arts Council was able to make a decision in 2021 on the initial two contractors and court proceedings started in 2021 and then these two additional contractors were added.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Apologies; it was 2022. These two additional ones were added in February or March of this year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: One of the two new contractors.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: How many contractors were there in total? I know Ms Kennelly said four accounted for €5 million but how many contractors were there in total?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Okay. That is fair. There are 21 contractors. Would the Arts Council be happy with the work of all 21? Is it just the four contractors it is pursuing legal redress from?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: The point I am trying to make is whether there is anything to prevent these contractors, these cowboys, we will say, from going to look for State work again when they have completely underperformed, in that the Arts Council would not be taking a legal case against them otherwise?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Peter Cleere: Yes, and including the four contractors.

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