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Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I thank the witnesses for their opening statements. I will invite members to indicate. I again convey our sympathies to the memberships of the organisations here on the tragic death of Garda Kevin Flatley. One of the notable aspects of both statements is the different numbers in respect of optimum levels of Garda membership, with the GRA stating 17,000 and the AGSI stating 18,000. That...

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: We will let you come back again. I will bring in the AGSI first the next time. Just to say, that interaction was eight minutes long, which is what I suggest we set the clock at. We will be stretched in respect of that in terms of allowing others to come back in. Deputy Kelly is next.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: The Deputy should give our guests time to respond.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: We will begin with the AGSI but unfortunately, I have to ask Mr. Clogher to be brief.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: Briefly, please, Mr. Bolger.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I will allow other members in. Then we will allow the GRA to respond and the AGSI to elaborate if needs be. I call Senator Ruane.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I thank the Senator. We will open with the GRA. I call Mr. Hodgins.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I thank Mr. Hodgins. We will come back and allow him further time. My apologies to Deputy Butterly. I skipped across her there.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I will bring the Deputy back in because-----

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: No, but I will allow the Deputy to make a comment.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I will allow them to hold that thought and they can come back in and answer the question later. Members ask me to run a clock and I am just doing as asked.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: There will probably be some follow-up questions on that.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: We will leave that easy question to the AGSI.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I thank Mr. Clogher. We will have time for a second round of questions. I have a couple of questions arising from our engagement with the Commissioner last week. First, I am seeking clarity in respect of high-speed chases and the pursuit of vehicles. Members of the Garda have privately told me there is an issue within the Garda with pursuits of vehicles, whether it relates to bikes, cars,...

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: Unless witnesses have anything to either contradict or add substantially to that, we will have a new member in. Apologies, Mr. Bolger.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: That is incredibly worrying. We are on a clock so Deputy Ward has eight minutes.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: Mr. Bolger wants to add to that point.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: I thank Deputy O'Sullivan. He could substitute Cork out of his question for virtually anywhere else in the country.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: Absolutely.

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Jun 2025)

Matt Carthy: As some members have not come in yet, I suggest that we have a three-minute second round for those who want it. I will take members in the original order.

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