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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: I will put it to the Minister another way then.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: We have to be realistic because we are talking about taxpayers' money. We have to be somewhat forthright with people. Has the Minister at any stage looked at designing out some of what has been proposed for the hospital in order to keep it in budget or to reduce the budget?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Did the Minister at any stage over the past four years look at designing out any of the components or some of what might be considered non-essentials?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: At any stage, did the Minister look for resignations along the way in terms of the constant overruns from any of the board? The accountability issues are important and while the Minister might not like people asking the questions, he would have asked them himself. Indeed, when the Minister was before the committee as a Deputy, he asked the very hard questions and rightly so. I am asking...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: This has obviously continued.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Obviously the Minister made a decision at a particular point that he needed to move the engagement and discussions with BAM in a different direction. In the past week or two, the Minister met with the Royal BAM Group. Does the Minister think it would be useful for the Royal BAM Group to come into this committee to give its side of the story?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: The Minister made obviously well-founded charges from his perspective regarding the financial situation and gave a view to the Taoiseach in his letter. If I was the Royal BAM Group, I would have been very upset and annoyed about that. I sincerely hope that relations have not irreversibly broken down and that we will see the type of commitments the Minister is hoping for in the coming weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: On a point of order, can the Deputy explain that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: There are two sides to the story. I want to be fair. We have a responsibility. Obviously, the Minister's clearest objective is to open what we know, when it is completed, will be the best hospital in the world. I am very confident and hopeful that this will happen. However, it is coming at a cost and with delays. We have a responsibility here to interrogate and drill down to see why...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: I knew that. I appreciate that because I never had any engagement. I had never spoken to the people.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Okay, I thank the Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: The REOs are on approximately €330,000 annually.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: I have no issue with that and I do agree with the sentiments expressed by the Minister. If we want to get the best people available internationally, then we will need to pay them. The health of our citizens deserves having the best possible managers in our hospitals. We will be talking tomorrow about UHL. I certainly concur with the Minister in this regard. Returning to the issue of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Of that €2.2 billion, how much is the commissioning going to cost?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Are international experts involved? I refer to people who have experience in this type of thing. I ask because, clearly, this has not been done before here. Does the Minister have confidence in the people involved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: The Minister must have been disappointed with the RTÉ report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: The RTÉ report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Well, okay. In my earlier contribution, I did say that I would allow the Minister's colleague to give us the detail on the commissioning. I would like to afford him the time to allow him to talk us through this process step by step. I refer to how we can ensure the commissioning is not going to cause an undue delay. I ask this because we have gone through the issues with BAM ad nauseam....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Great.

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