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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: As a last point, it does not prevent the Government from establishing a redress scheme as a separate matter. That was mentioned on day one. The State Claims Agency is the current legal mechanism, but the Government could establish a redress system without having to go through the agency and have a redress board to deal with it. I do not want the public to think that if people do not take a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: It was for this organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is quite right that today that is the only avenue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: The redress scheme has not been established. It is only compensation. It may or may not, but it might.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: speaking genuinely, I do not want women with claims to feel they may never have any other option. They may do, but it has not yet been provided for. I did not want them to be upset unnecessarily thinking that if they did not sue the State, they would get nothing. Most agree with having a redress scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: As we sit here, that is absolutely right.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Breen have a figure of other claims about cervical cancer which are not part of the 221?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: What is that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have not heard this issue aired before.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: This is approximately the tenth Oireachtas committee meeting between HSE and the State Claims Agency and the Committee of Public Accounts and the health and finance committees. I know that question may not have been asked, but sometimes it is great if people volunteer the full figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I accept Mr. Breen's point. I may not have been here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to let Deputy Alan Kelly in before we go to the vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Breen can send the information back-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: If the Deputy wants to give the wording of precisely what he is looking for, the committee will write to the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: If Deputy Kelly gives Mr. Breen the details, then by the time we return from the vote in the Dáil, he might have made a telephone call. I am trying to be helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: When we suspend proceedings in a few moments, I will ask Deputy Kelly to give the names to the officials. We will be back afterwards.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will suspend because the voting will take place presently. We will resume at 2.30 p.m. We have a voting situation and we want a little time for a break. No doubt we will finish. I do not imagine it will be too long into the afternoon.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will resume in public session. Before we return to the the subject of the NTMA accounts, I will deal with one bit of housekeeping. It concerns our work programme for meetings in the autumn. I omitted something in the work programme. On the first day back on 20 September, we will deal with NAMA. That is agreed. On 27 September, we will hear from the former clinical director of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: It will be Thursday, 11 October. The Office of Public Works is appearing before us on that day so it is a question of whether we do it first or last but it will be 11 October. On 18 October-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (12 Jul 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is a definite for now. If needs be and we have to deal with-----

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