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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: You would not have a great lifestyle out of that. No. 1011B is correspondence from Mr. Mark Griffin, Secretary General, Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications, dated 17 January 2022. It provides detailed information requested by the committee in respect of the national broadband plan. That will be relevant to our meeting with National Broadband Ireland, NBI, and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am sorry, Deputy Munster.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay, we will ask for that. Finally, members will recall that we had requested information regarding 11 bodies that provide funding to An Taisce and agreed to consider those responses together today. However, while analysing the information the secretariat noticed that it is not complete. Any payments that were made to An Taisce from the then Department of Culture, Heritage and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We have requested to have it by next Tuesday.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: In fairness, it is part of the disruption caused by the big changeover in Departments.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Some Departments have five or six different roles. This one went to the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage. Hopefully, we will have it soon. No other items of correspondence have been flagged for consideration today. The next item is the work programme. Next week, on 3 February, we will engage with Transport Infrastructure Ireland to examine its 2020 financial...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Thank you. Is that agreed? Agreed. The only other item I wish to raise regarding the work programme is that there are some more developments with the University of Limerick, UL. I propose to put it on the work programme again. Matters are far from being resolved there and there are a number of serious issues that might need further examination. With the agreement of the committee, I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is one slot coming up. It would be after the justice matters. If we are addressing the issues relating to the Garda at two meetings instead of three, it will give us more space. We will try to schedule that so as to give plenty of notice.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: That concludes our consideration of the work programme. Under AOB, which is the last item on the public agenda, I wish to raise a matter and then open it to the floor. It arises from our consideration last week of R1000 from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform concerning the format and content of the appropriation accounts of Government Departments and offices. We agreed to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Accounting Officers. If we focus on just Secretaries General, we may be leaving out other positions. With the agreement of the committee, we will ask about Accounting Officers.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We already get that information from other State bodies.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: To clarify, there are now four pay grades for Secretaries General.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will request that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The clerk will act immediately and request that. Is it agreed that we write to the Department as proposed? Agreed. Do members wish to raise other matters before we go into private session?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We are asking for it to be shown in the 2021 accounts when they are published so that we can see what pay was given over the past year to Secretaries General. Normally, we get the accounts in September. When we get them-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can request it now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: If that is the committee's wish, we can write now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will correspond with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to get an answer on that now. Before Deputy Carthy rejoined the meeting, I mentioned that we had gone through a long rigmarole trying to get this information. We asked questions but have been led around the place for a number of months. That is not a satisfactory way of doing business. From here on out, we will seek...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: This was raised in early January 2021. The committee heard about it. We should not have to be led around like that, backwards and forward.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: If what we are putting to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, which has taken on some of our suggestions, is acted on, that would be welcome. It should take this one on board. There is no reason not to. As the Deputy said, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. We would then not have this again in the coming years. We would not have to go on a wild goose chase...

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