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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: And I presume he regards it as unfounded.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. O'Driscoll accept that this level of criticism, irrespective of his view on it, was a factor in the Minister’s decision to stand down the SIU, as it was?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. O’Driscoll accept that the Minister accepted and understood that there was widespread criticism of the unit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. O’Driscoll also accept that Ms Justice Reynolds, the judge in the case of County Cavan farmer Douglas Fannin, whom I name because his name is in the public domain, whom I believe would wish to be named and who won, was also very critical of the behaviour of the SIU? Does Mr. O’Driscoll recall that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I presume that in Mr. O’Driscoll’s interpretation of the IFA or individual cases, he does not dismiss the criticism of Ms Justice Reynolds.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: He accepts that Ms Justice Reynolds found the modus operandi of the unit to be deeply flawed and objectionable. She went so far as to say the integrity of the gentleman Mr. Douglas Fannin was intact and placed a question mark over that of the investigation unit.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: One of Mr. O’Driscoll’s officials.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: The record reflects that eight charges of interference and eight charges of criminal fraud were rejected by the courts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is what the record states. I am sure Mr. O'Driscoll is not presuming to second guess the judgment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: If you do not mind, one of the reasons you are before us, and why I am raising these issues with you, is that we have heard from a range of people, against a backdrop of more general criticism of the investigation unit, some things that are very troubling, some of it corroborated and other parts not. In the case of this gentleman, Mr. Douglas Fannin, it has been through the courts, he has...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is it not also important to note, for the purposes of this discussion and for your job, that the judge noted heavy-handed conduct and that your official, the witness, was not alone difficult but caused the judge some concerns over the accuracy of his testimony?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Are they not important matters?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am sure they have.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am struggling with the basic logic of what has occurred and the decision taken by the Minister. The understanding was not that it would involve incorporation but a brand new dawn for investigations. The Minister was moved to that action for some reason. I have already cited the IFA who, I think we both acknowledge, are experts in the field of agriculture and the experiences of farmers....

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: The unit made a couple of mistakes but it was grand. Do you think the Minister made a mistake?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who is in charge of the new set-up?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who was in charge of the old regime?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: You indicated earlier on that there has not been a change in staff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Mary Lou McDonald: So the old unit has been incorporated into a new regime with the same staff.

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