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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: I ask Mr. Healy not to talk me down.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: I will explain what I am talking to him about here. I presume the arrangement that is entered into could be classed as a legal agreement, or as an almost legal agreement, setting out how that money would be looked after. As I said earlier on, even though that agreement was in place, she entered care in 2009 with no belongings, no money and no documentation. She had nothing. If one adds it...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: Yes. Did the HSE in recent times make a statement saying that the Waterford Intellectual Disability Association stopped it from giving the apology? Could Mr. Healy give me some clarification on that? Was that something that was said or issued in a statement?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: By that organisation or anybody else.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: That is another mistake within the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: I would like to follow up with Mr. O'Brien what Deputy Dowds said about the legal issues here and the possibility of people taking a case against the HSE and so on. Mr. O'Brien said that no legal defence is really being offered by the HSE. Have Mr. O'Brien and his colleagues in the HSE estimated how much the possibility of cases being taken and having to be settled might cost the State?...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: Will the HSE do so?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: Okay. I would like to return to the Waterford Intellectual Disability Association and the funding. During the course of the care of Grace, did the association get special funding to take care of Grace, or was that something it had to fund out of its grant from the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: The HSE, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: No, you are not sure.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: No, no. Go back. Do not wander off on me again. What is happening in regard to the care of Grace is that the organisation or agency had to care for Grace out of its own funds. You presented a column of funding in order to point out to us that it was not penalised in any way for raising issues around the care of intellectually disabled people. I understand that Mr. O'Brien is going to...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: In regard to Ann, in one of your comments earlier you spoke about the rights of the foster mother and so on. You outlined those. In all of your discussions here, as I said to you earlier on, there was a failure to outline the rights of the intellectually disabled person. The emphasis on one set of rights as against another is not balanced. That is my view of what you have been saying.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: I accept that and I encourage you with speed along-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: Well, it will be. Whoever is in the House after the election will have to pursue it. I respect the position Mr. O'Brien is taking and, as I said, I encourage him to continue with speed down that road. That brings me to the point made by Deputy McFadden. I was asked a question about our remit on the radio and Deputy Deasy quoted me. It started with the whole question of costs. It is a...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: In terms of current issues, and I will finish on this, Tusla is now the child care agency and I would have to say that if I had doubt about any employee I would have who was taking up employment elsewhere, I would be inclined to mark their cards. That is all I will say. It is a reasonable undertaking to assume that the HSE would undertake that in terms of any doubts it had because not to...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John McGuinness: I again thank the witnesses for attending. This part of the meeting is concluded. In conclusion of the Committee of Public Accounts for this Dáil term, I thank all those witnesses that appeared before us. I also thank the secretariat, back-up services and all members of the committee, including those currently serving and those who have been members during the course of the past...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jan 2016)

John McGuinness: Are the minutes of the meeting of 21 January agreed to? Agreed. The next item is correspondence received since the meeting on 21 January. No. 3A is correspondence received from Accounting Officers and-or Ministers. No. 3A.1 is correspondence, dated 18 January 2016, received from Mr. Derek Moran, Secretary General, Department of Finance, as a follow-up to the meeting of the committee on...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jan 2016)

John McGuinness: Can we stick to this issue?

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