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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The business before us today includes minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, the work programme and any other business. We will go into private session before adjourning. The first item is the minutes of the meeting from 20 January, which have been circulated to members. Do members wish to raise any matters relating to those minutes? If not, are the minutes agreed?...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: With regard to St. James's Hospital, the amount is €516 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes. The turnover is €516 million but if the amount is over €500,000, that is what we raise questions over. How much is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Perhaps Mr. McCarthy would like to address that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: That clarifies one aspect. Another is that this committee is not in a position to deal with this on its own. Due to situations like this one, the cervical smear tests and so on, compensation is running into the billions of euro at a time when we are trying to get investment to fill gaps in key areas of the health services and other services. This is a question that the Oireachtas needs to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We are digressing, but as legislators, there is a job to be done in terms of putting in place systems of accountability. I have-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is clear that there is a problem with the systems of accountability. I find it frustrating. As an Oireachtas, all parties should come together and try to do something to put in place not only checks and balances, but also penalties for when people clearly allow a situation like what happened in Kerry or with the cervical smear tests to arise. I want to move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can make proposals but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: -----it is the Oireachtas as a whole that would have to do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: It will come up on the agenda, Deputy. I discussed with the clerk putting it on today's agenda under any other business, AOB.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy. Regarding the issue of accountability, the committee can put together a proposal and put it before the Oireachtas.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can correspond with the Department of Health on that matter. The proposal-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We are dealing with the accounts. With members' indulgence, I suggest that, for next week's meeting, they put together a proposal that we can send to the HSE and the Department of Health. That is the best way forward. There is a feeling in this committee that we need to follow through on this matter. Deputy Colm Burke mentioned something that was also in my mind, namely, the raft of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: That will come at the end. The Deputy has made the proposal.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will deal with the substantive issue on the agenda. Are the statements noted? Agreed. As usual the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. Moving to correspondence, as previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion at this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We received this correspondence. It is dated 17 January.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is from the Chief Inspector of Taxes to Mr. Kieran Ryan, chartered accountant. There is absolute clarification in that letter dated 7 March 1997. That is the point I am making. It seems to be at odds with many of the answers we got here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Looking at the table of taxation for the ten companies, the income is in the region of €10,000 per employee and the taxation yield is €144 for a year in 2018 seems very much at odds with the reality of what that might be.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: It would be hard to live on that in 2018 though, would it not?

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