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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I suggest that Mr. Harrahill gives the Deputy an update on that after a short period. I know it is causing problems and we have heard about it from hauliers. Also, the matter is of particular interest to the Deputy. In terms of developing the facility and outlining its potential, perhaps Mr. Harrahill could come back to the Deputy after a period, if that is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Harrahill.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: In referring to the temporary wage subsidy scheme, we acknowledge the speed with which it was deployed and its efficiency. Many people will recognise that it ensured the economy was not very badly damaged by the early bouts of Covid-19.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: We acknowledge that. I will revert to the misclassification of workers. Mr. Cody mentioned a few times that Revenue does not collect tax and it does not decide employment status. That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, that Revenue collects tax but it does not decide employment status. Revenue was involved in classification on employment status in the courier sector. It put forward four issues which would identify and separate out self-employment around owning a vehicle, among which were that the driver paid for outgoings on the vehicle, that they were doing piece work and that they had a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: The point I am making is Revenue wanted those four items inserted back in 1997. Is that the reason the deal was discontinued in 2019?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: That is fair enough. Mr. Cody mentioned workers at the lowest end in this sector. The Committee of Public Accounts is concerned about this because these are some of the most vulnerable workers in the State. Was this discontinued because it could be seen as unlawful under Irish law because it takes a whole group of workers as self-employed and that cannot be done in Irish law, as...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Therefore it had no impact on the decision at all.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I refer to withholding tax on couriers' expenses. Some Revenue documents refer to withholding tax several times. The deal included a flat-rate expenses allowance for couriers. It was a system exclusively for employees. It is itemised on Revenue's website. Flat-rate expenses allow workers to claim back costs. Nowhere in the 1997 tax deal with representatives of the courier sector...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I understand that. I think people would have appreciated at the time that it was something of a wild west situation where many people were not registered for tax, not on the books, being paid through cash and so on. The problem with the deal was that it de facto made all couriers self-employed. If an employee wanted to try to change that, it would be very difficult. The power...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Does Mr. Cody accept there is a question around how legally correct this was, given the advice from the Chief State Solicitor, Mr. Mark Connaughton, in 2009? In the Denny case, a category of workers were taken as being self-employed. Does Mr. Cody accept that what happened there may be legally questionable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I am not asking what you did. I am asking if you accept that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Do you accept it might be legally questionable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Cody mentioned to Deputy Munster that neither revenue nor taxation was lost. However, the employer's PRSI contribution is different for a self-employed worker than for a PAYE worker. We all know that. Has Revenue done a calculation of the differential? It is a whole sector. It is being wound down and I see in the papers the witnesses supplied for today that it is down to two firms....

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: It is a different question I am asking. If these workers-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I am not asking you to accept an argument.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I am asking you to give an answer on this and maybe I am not putting it clearly enough. If the workers in that sector were employees as opposed to being grouped together and counted as self-employed from 1997 up to the discontinuation of the scheme, there is a huge differential there in PRSI contributions to the State. I ask for a "Yes" or "No" answer. Has Revenue done a calculation of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: That is fair enough. That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Could I ask Mr. Cody to come back to the Deputy in writing on that question? He has a calculation to make. I want to allow the other members to contribute.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 12 - Controls over the Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Management of Suspicious Transactions Reports (2 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Very briefly.