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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 9 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 10 - Management of Social Welfare Appeals
Chapter 11 - Controls Over the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment
(9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: The facts are that there are direct quotations from senior officials, including the head of Revenue and Mr. McKeon’s predecessor in the Department of Social Protection, that there was a deal in operation and that, for the 20-year period, many workers in that sector may have been misclassified, or to use the term “bogus self-employment”, may have been employed as bogus...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 9 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 10 - Management of Social Welfare Appeals
Chapter 11 - Controls Over the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment
(9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: It was one case that was used subsequently to reclassify.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 9 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 10 - Management of Social Welfare Appeals
Chapter 11 - Controls Over the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment
(9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: The workers in these sectors - in the gig economy or whatever we like to call it - if they are employed on a self-employment basis, have an imbalance of power between themselves and the employer and they are in a very weak position. If they say “Boo”, there is somebody else waiting to take their position. There is a vulnerability there for workers. I make the point that the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 9 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 10 - Management of Social Welfare Appeals
Chapter 11 - Controls Over the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment
(9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Thank you. To conclude, I thank the witnesses for attending. As I said, I wish Mr. McKeon a speedy recovery. I thank the staff of the Department for the work they were involved in to prepare for the meeting and also for their work over the past two years. They have had a fairly hectic two years and the staff stepped up to the mark and carried a huge burden, and I want to acknowledge that....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: The business of this afternoon's meeting includes minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. We will then go into private session before adjourning. The minutes of our meeting on 2 December have been circulated to members. Do they wish to raise any issues relating to them? Okay. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: What sum of money are we talking about in respect of the Waterford and Wexford Education and Training Board, ETB?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: Can we agree to note the accounts and statements? Agreed. I suggest that the secretariat follows up with the ETB regarding its plan to rectify the procurement issues relating to the €2.7 million figure to ensure that, in future, measures are taken to try to counteract non-compliance.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. The next item is correspondence. As previously agreed, items that have not been flagged for discussion for this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been circulated and decisions taken by the committee in relation to correspondence will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I ask Mr. McCarthy to come in on that question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy. Before we move on, I wish to note an oversight on my part. No. 927B from the Department of Social Protection was provided in confidence. I stated incorrectly that we would note and publish it. I should have said that we would note it but not publish it because of the nature of its contents. I ask members to respect that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: No. 941B, from Mr. Ray Mitchell, assistant national director of the HSE, is dated 30 November 2021. It provides information requested by the committee regarding non-compliant procurement. The scale of the expenditure here is significant. In its 2020 accounts, the HSE declared 91% of expenditure that was subject to procurement rules to be compliant, representing a value of over €1.7...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: We have them in the work programme. That issue, which has arisen this week, can be flagged as a matter for the representatives to address when they are in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will do that. It is an important issue. No. 943B is related to what Deputy Carthy has just mentioned. It is from Mr. Mark Griffin, Secretary General of the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications, and dated 1 December 2021. It provides information requested by the committee regarding non-compliant procurement. It concerns two contracts, totalling under €1...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: The correspondent makes a number of assertions in the document and provides many links. I have read a few times the summary of what he sent us. I propose that, in the first instance, we seek the correspondent’s permission to forward the correspondence to the Department of Health. It is open to us to request, following that Department’s response, further information or...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: On the second part, I mentioned the links that the correspondent provided. The links contain information to back up his case. We are not in a position to adjudicate on the strength of the information. The Deputy is correct that it is a very serious matter. That is the reason I flagged it for discussion. On the point raised by Deputy Verona Murphy on the well-being of patients if...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will forward it to the Department once we get the permission of the correspondent. We can ask in that letter that if the correspondent has further evidence of this happening, it be forwarded to the committee or the Department of Health. The last correspondence in this group is No. R0929. It is from the clerk to the Joint Committee on Petitions requesting observations on proposals to...

Written Answers — Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Renewable Energy Generation (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: 28. To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine the funding or technical support his Department offers to farmers that wish to form a renewable energy co-operative. [60397/21]

Written Answers — Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Renewable Energy Generation (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: 30. To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine his plans to increase the involvement of farmers in the area of renewable energy. [60396/21]

Written Answers — Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment: Industrial Relations (9 Dec 2021)

Brian Stanley: 126. To ask the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment his plans in relation to the sectoral employment order for the electrical contracting sector. [60395/21]

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