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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What was the purpose of the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: This is a critical moment in this committee's hearings. The Commissioner told us that upon hearing of the issues in Templemore she set up a committee and acted promptly. Is Mr. Barrett saying that the first meeting of the committee which was established was not actually after the meeting of 27 July, but that it had already been set up preceding the meeting and met for the first time on 2 July?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is very clear. Does Mr. Culhane have a differing view to Mr. Barrett?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is very clear. I thank Mr. Culhane for being prompt. This is very important. We now have a situation where the Commissioner said she acted promptly after being informed on 27 July, but we have Mr. Barrett giving conflicting evidence stating that there was a meeting of the steering group on 2 July. This group met for the first time not after 27 July, but on 2 July. Mr. Culhane agrees...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is very helpful. We have now gotten through the evidence of the two witnesses, and effectively they are saying that there was a meeting on 2 July. Let us be honest about it, there are certainly issues in respect of how the evidence given here previously relates to the witnesses' evidence. To be fair to the two witnesses, they agree that there was a 2 July meeting of a steering group...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Effectively Mr. Ruane is saying that Mr. Barrett-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Barrett had told Mr. Cyril Dunne, I take it, who had told the Commissioner. This was on 30 June.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: At what time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is very detailed. Does Mr. Barrett believe that the Commissioner of An Garda Síochána was aware of the issues in Templemore on 2 July or preceding that date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: You believe the Commissioner knew about the issues in Templemore.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: As Mr. Barrett is aware she gave evidence previously-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Barrett was sitting here when she gave evidence that she was first told in the letter from Mr. Ruane and then at the disputed meeting of 27 July. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely. That is why he is needed here with the other witnesses. For the record, we have a complete contradiction in evidence between that given on 4 May and that given today. Evidence has been given that there was a 2 July meeting at which this steering group was set up. We also have a letter from 30 June which says that the Commissioner had been informed. Obviously, we will have to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What was that meeting is respect of?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There is a confirmation. There is the letter of 30 June and there is confirmation of the meeting of 2 July. I thank Mr. Ruane. When he became aware of these issues after Mr. Barrett informed him, what did Mr. Ruane feel he had to do? In fairness to Deputy MacSharry, he has asked this question. Obviously the law is above any reporting structure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In other words, Mr. Ruane felt obliged to inform the Commissioner - though I am not asking what advice he gave - of her responsibilities, particularly under the Garda Síochána Act 2005, I presume.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Ruane thought the issues were so serious and worrying that he felt it absolutely necessary to advise the Commissioner of her responsibilities under the Act and that it was necessary for her to act.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I thank Mr. Ruane for that. I know he is trying to distinguish between advice and what he felt. I will read out section 41(1) of the Garda Síochána Act 2005: "The Garda Commissioner shall keep the Minister and the Secretary General of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform fully informed", and the Act then lists off everything including issues of accountability and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I respect that. Fennelly's interim report happened in the middle of this process. Mr. Justice Fennelly particularly addressed the way in which evidence should be documented and preserved.