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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Does Mr. O’Driscoll think that was fair?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Frankly, this would not have occurred the way it did if it occurred today.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: It was not the only mistake. When that pig was tested, it remained in a state of limbo for three months. If those pigs got sick, it must be noted that medicines were taken away from the farmer. As was alluded to by the Department, he moved animals in that interim period, probably because he needed cash to keep going. How many pigs were tested on day one? Of the 4,000 pigs, how many pigs...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Four?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: How many pigs were tested for the so-called carcinogen that was found in the singular pig?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I ask Mr. O'Driscoll to go back to the finding of carbadox, as clarity is needed on this. It is a substance that was legal up to 1999. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: This was in 2002. It is a substance that is still legal when it comes to feeding pigs in the United States. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Fair enough. The Department is not the FDA. It is interesting that in those circumstances it has led to a situation where a man is basically out of pocket to the tune of €0.75 million, notwithstanding the animal rights issues here. That substance is legal in the United States to this day and was legal here up to three years prior to the event. I ask Mr. O'Driscoll to continue as...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: The High Court

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I ask Mr. O'Driscoll to stick to the issue, namely, the substance. Did the Department test any pigs for traces of this substance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Surely, for completeness and for the sake of having absolute clarity on the issue, why would the Department not have done that? Is there a test that it could have done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I disagree with that point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: If the Department tested 20 pigs and found that substance among those pigs, I do not think, ultimately, that it would have been in the High Court. I think, basically, it was incontrovertible evidence with regard to what might have gone into the food chain; and having regard to that, it would have solved an awful lot of problems subsequently. The Department made a mistake by not going down...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I accept that once that was said the Department was put in a position that it had to act.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: To be clear on this, Mr. O'Driscoll said previously that, with the benefit of hindsight, that would not occur. The Department would have probably got professional slaughterers in to do the job.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: He would contend that the manner in which those pigs were slaughtered was not correct. There are a number of different ways that a pig can be slaughtered. It can be done with an electric current and it can be done with a bolt, etc., where there is bleeding. He would contend, as would Mr. O'Driscoll and the Department officials, that the bolt element part was done correctly. Those pigs...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: That is a difference between him being specific and definite at the time and the actual correct slaughtering of a pig.

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