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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: The Irish Kennel Club would say 30.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: The Irish Kennel Club would say the maximum number someone could have while making a living from it is 30.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Do vets verify and register them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: May I come back in Chairman, if there is time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: It is just to take up a couple of things Mr. Savage mentioned. He said 700 sellers were blocked. I am aware he is saying he just provides the advert and the contract is between the seller and the purchaser, but if somebody comes to him and tells him the dog died within a few weeks of him or her purchasing it, would he ban that seller?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Would Mr. Savage ban somebody in the case of the local authority finding parvovirus on the site following an inspection? Has it ever happened that he has banned one of the dog breeding establishments from its site?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: If someone comes to Mr. Savage and says they bought a pup from an advert on his site and it died of parvovirus or whatever other condition, would he simply suspend the dog breeding establishment pending an investigation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Mr. Savage would pause it until he found out what was going on. He said that if a pup is stolen, it is very hard to have both the microchip and the certificate. We know lay people are putting microchips in. What happens, for example, if the pups are stolen when they are too young to be microchipped?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Does Dogs.ie share information with Revenue on dog breeding establishments and the number of dogs that are sold by each one?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Does Dogs.ie keep a record of that? When I went on to the site in advance of the meeting, I could see the same dog breeding establishment, in a number of different adverts, was selling dogs that were only a couple of weeks apart in age. The adverts outlined there were ten dogs, for example, in one litter and nine dogs in another litter. Does Dogs.ie collate the information? It was the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Regulations and Verification Systems of Online Sales of Pets: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Is it the case that Dogs.ie has the information if Revenue comes to it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Is there a need for a stud register? Part of the problem is that there is no register for the stud end of the reproduction. The breeding bitches are on a register with the dog breeding establishment. Would the VCI support a register for stud dogs? I put that to the Department as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: There is no register for stud dogs. Part of the problem with these canine fertility clinics, and anyone can go on Facebook and see this, is that people are running them out of the back of suburban gardens. They advertise either frozen semen or stud activities but there is no register for stud dogs. We are missing 50% of the picture with regard to puppy breeding and breeding in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: To give one example, I calculated €250,000 worth of stud rights from the Facebook page of one individual. Even from a revenue point of view, you would think the Government would be interested in collecting some of that revenue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Is Mr. Blake considering them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: On another matter, is the helpline only available from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday to Friday?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Does that mean someone will get back to them at the weekend or that there is no one answering the phone at the weekends?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: It is just Monday to Friday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., and then the calls are followed up on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: I would like the IVC's opinion on this. We heard in the previous session about the lay implantation of microchips and that the quality of data from microchips that are vet-verified is much better in jurisdictions that make that compulsory. Would the VCI have any objection to taking on that workload for the other three databases, if the law stated implantation had to be vet-verified? It...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013: Post-Enactment Scrutiny (Resumed) (30 Mar 2022)

Lynn Boylan: Mr. Heslin from Fido said it will only allow vets or veterinary nurses to do the implantation. That way, it can stand over the implanting of the microchip and who is carrying it out. Maybe this is a matter for the Department. The microchipping laws are up for review. Is that something the Department would take on board?

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