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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: That is true. That is the danger. However, to deal with the issue-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: The Office of Public Works made a mistake in measuring Miesian Plaza, and that has exposed the State to a cost of €10 million. When we had representatives from the OPW before the committee, I asked if a disciplinary process was under way. The answer was "No". They will appear again soon to discuss this matter. It is not a disciplinary matter but the loss to the State over the term...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: -----and we are on the hook for it, what process is available to deal with that? Has Mr. Watt's Department got involved in a disciplinary process related to that negligence? If not, why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Watt should know the details.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Will Mr. Watt find out about it because it is a year old?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: This will not prejudice a case. There is no court case. This is all a public service issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I will come back in later if that is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I thank the witnesses. The most recent guidelines from the Department for appointments of CEOs to non-commercial State bodies and for appointments to State boards were issued in April 2019. I understand from the guidelines that there is a maximum of two terms in the main and eight years for a State board member. Sport Ireland had an extension issued last week for its CEO, who has been in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: It is a non-commercial State body.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Was there a business case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: The principal officer from the public service pay and pensions division is present. Is that not something that would have come across his desk?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Under section 3 of the guidelines it is very specific what the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform's involvement ought to be. I am conscious that we have been having a kind of a clear-out, given the level of sports funding that we rightly provide to various organisations, and that we are moving away from the old guard. I am conscious, and this is not personal, that the existing...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Absolutely. I am conscious that rules need to be consistent.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 – Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Accounting for Capital Assets
Chapter 5 - Accounting for Allied Services
(22 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I am conscious that we need to be consistent, that we cannot moan about the former Minister of State, Mr. D'Arcy, on one hand and encourage Mr. Watt on the other, but that is an aside. The point is, reappointing these people against the guidelines we have is akin to reappointing the financial regulator after the bank bailout. At the same time as that organisation is presiding over the good...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(21 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I ask the Chair to let me know when three minutes remain, if he could.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(21 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I welcome the witnesses, and like Deputy Carthy, I thank them for their heroics for getting children back to school. I particularly thank all the teachers. I cannot imagine all the stress and anxiety they are all feeling now. They all deserve our gratitude, as do Mr. Ó Foghlú and his team. I want to talk briefly about Caranua. I see it had 26 employees at year's end. We...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(21 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: For sure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(21 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I note that Caranua had a financial update in September, where it was stated that total spending was €109.5 million. By my calculations, that means about €500,000 is left. What assurances can Mr. Ó Foghlú give us that there will be enough money for survivors with claims outstanding, as well as operational costs? Are there plans for a supplementary budget provision...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(21 Oct 2020)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. Will the organisation need more money?

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