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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Presumably, he has qualifications and has been trained in the areas of managing corporate risk. However, he told us earlier that he does not takes notes of minutes but rather is into the actions of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I presume Mr. Ó Cualáin has been trained in risk management, given that it is probably the most important organisation in the State when it comes to risk. When it came to the situation that was raised through Mr. Ruane's famous letter on 24 July that we supposedly will not see because of legal privilege, although I suspect this will have to change, was Mr. Ó Cualáin not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Ó Cualáin not advise her?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking Mr. Ó Cualáin to discuss it. I would not put him in that position even though I think the issue of the Commissioner claiming privilege on this needs to be checked out. What I am really asking Mr. Ó Cualáin is what advice, and this is not privilege, as the head of risk did he give the Commissioner with regard to providing or not providing a section 41?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Ó Cualáin feel the Commissioner should make a disclosure under section 41?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That was Mr. Ó Cualáin's advice to her?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: As head of risk.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Kelly said it had been a very brief meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is not credible to say that the Department did not know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Even under the new system, it is still not credible to say that officials did not know about it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have a question for all the witnesses. Did anybody derive individual benefit from the college-based activities such as trips, payments, gifts, going away gifts, benefits-in-kind, overtime payments and so on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not referring to the audit report. Was Ms McMahon aware of any of them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The witnesses can skip the audit report because we all know what is in it. If they read about this issue because of the report, they can take it that does not matter. Were they aware of the trips, payments, gifts, going away gifts, benefits-in-kind, or overtime payments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Earlier, I asked was any of the non-Vote money, that is, revenues raised by the college, used for overtime or expenses and the answer was "No".

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Anyone.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Other than the restaurant staff, was anybody paid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I thank Mr. McCabe for clarifying that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is Mr. McGee aware of any payments or other items I listed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: There were going away events and gifts were given to different people. I presume none of the witnesses was aware of that. Has any effort been made to reclaim moneys in the recent past for payments relating to the items I listed? Are they aware of attempts by anyone who used to be a member of the organisation to make repayments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is separate.

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