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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Will Mr. Delaney start again, please?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I will give an example. If I am wrong, Mr. Delaney should tell me. I am just trying to understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: If there is a bus depot and two buses are using part of it, are we saying that a property charge is applied to the Department on the basis that, if they were not school buses and Bus Éireann was renting that space out on the open market, it could get more?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: What was the property charge for 2017?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: It was €2.5 million for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014. it was €1.3 million for 2015, 2016 and 2017. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: It decreased by 50%, more or less. How is that decrease explained? I presume the fleet has not decreased by 50%.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Is that explanation satisfactory to Mr. McCarthy?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: While we would not be able to get a breakdown in terms of-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Why was that? Was it not forthcoming? Was the information not available?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: The information is not available. Surely if the property charge is €2.5 million, there is a breakdown.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: My time is up but it is something I might come back to.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Questioning.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: The interrogation is coming next, possibly.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Was that the FGS report or was it just the one on the methodology?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: None of the recommendations in the FGS report was implemented.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I will come back in for a second round of questioning. The interrogation will start now.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Do we know the national average cost per pupil?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I want to ask a couple of questions about claims, which is a direct cost that is covered by the Department. If there is a compensation claim against a Bus Éireann driver or bus, is the cost covered by the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 98: Provision of School Transport (13 Dec 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Is there a cap on that or how does it work? If there was a total of €10 million in claims this year, for example, is that all recoverable by the Department or is there a cap in place that allows for only a percentage of the costs to be recouped? How does it work?

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