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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: But the meeting did take place.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Fine. The issue is that Mr. Waters feels it is inappropriate to ask his predecessor, Mr. Aylward, and Mr. Leamy, a retired CAO of the Garda Síochána what happened at a meeting that seemed to be fairly crucial, but which he does not remember.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I fail to understand what is inappropriate about asking somebody about this. The person was paid by the taxpayer for the guts of 40 years, became Secretary General of the Department on a very high income, and Mr. Waters is saying to me that it is inappropriate to ring him and ask him what went on at the meeting, of which Mr. Waters has no recollection.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Answer my question, what is inappropriate about that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Explain why.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I think Mr. Waters should reflect on that. The date this committee was set up is disputed some say it was on 2 July and others say it was on 27 July. In fairness, Ms Anne Barry clarified in the last session that the Department of Justice and Equality was made aware of this committee verbally on 1 October and subsequently there is a letter dated 2 October. Who was nominated to represent the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: What is his grade?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was he the appropriate person at the appropriate grade - given the seriousness of these issues - no reflection on him?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: He was at the appropriate grade, given the seriousness of these issues.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: On the last day I asked Mr. Waters two questions and I am going to repeat two of them again. I have three questions left. Does Mr. Waters believe that his Department should have been informed more quickly by the Commissioner about the issues in Templemore? Does Mr. Waters think it was appropriate that there was a time gap from 27 July - a date that is disputed and could have been in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Waters did not address it satisfactorily.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: No, I did not say that. I asked a question and that is one version of how the Commissioner could have informed the Department. Does Mr. Waters believe the Commissioner should have informed the Department in a quicker fashion that she did?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Given the scale of the issues and the actions which the Commissioner said she had taken and the fact that she said that she acted promptly and it is now known that there was nobody on this committee, and the Department was not aware of this committee until 1 October and it did not meet until November, does Mr. Waters not believe that the Commissioner should have informed him about these...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. What I am taking from Mr. Waters's answer is the following - that Mr. Waters does not believe the Commissioner should have informed him in a quicker timeframe. If there was-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is what I have to take from this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: No preconditions. The issues in respect of the McGee and Barrett reports, etc., are gigantic. She did not inform Mr. Waters. I am taking from his answer that he is happy that she did not inform him until 1 September, by way of copying him in on an email, and then formally about setting up the committee on 1 October. It is incredible to me that she would do that to the Secretary General of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: When did it meet for the first time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The internal auditor was not told until March 2016, yet Mr. O'Callaghan was sitting on a committee to discuss the issues in Templemore. Did alarm bells not go off in the Department? Does Mr. O'Callaghan not think it inappropriate that he is made aware of a committee in October and sits on it in December, but it is four months before the internal auditor is told about it? Did nobody in the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am aware of that evidence and I am caught for time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: One last question - did Mr. O'Callaghan not check that the internal auditor did not have a clue about any of these matters? He had not been told.