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Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: The matter is in the public domain.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I have concerns about people in the HSE and the Department who are in these positions. I am entitled to make my point on that issue. My concern is that it is quite possible that it could happen. I know the Minister of State says they will not do it, but in other areas the likes of Marie Stopes will fund these organisations and will receive referrals from some of them. There are...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: That is current practice in Ireland. I am trying to avoid a situation where any of these private clinics will be allowed to do so. I hear what the Minister of State is saying, but I find it hard from the language used in the Bill which includes the words "by another person pursuant to an arrangement entered into" - it could be a private clinic - not to have a concern about this section. I...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: On a point of order, I did not impugn his name, nor would I do so. I said he had worked for the IFPA, which is true. I said the IFPA had associations with Marie Stopes, which is true. That is all I said. I did nothing else to impugn the man's name and I did not do so.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I move amendment No. 3: In page 7, lines 19 and 20, to delete all words from and including “or” in line 19 down to and including “2004” in line 20 and substitute “or any institution listed in the Schedule”.On Committee Stage I proposed the deletion of the same part I propose for deletion in this amendment. The Minister of State, Deputy Kathleen...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: It is an interruption.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am asking Senators-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am laying down a personal challenge to the Senators opposite. While I know some of them do not have any difficulty with all these procedures being legalised, my guess is that many of them have serious qualms of conscience on this issue.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: Yes, and I am pressing the amendment.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I welcome the Minister of State but I am disappointed that we had to break for one and a half hours, which took away from the time we have to debate these important issues. When we adjourned I was speaking to the amendment and particularly the term "shall be in accordance with current medical practice". It specifically refers to "current" rather than existing medical practice, so when the...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: They were not Irish doctors but Irish doctors are no different-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: -----to doctors anywhere else. The problem is once the medical profession is corrupted by targeting innocent life and asking professionals to carry out such action, the ethos of medicine is changed. There was a comment from Senator Burke to the effect that at 24 weeks, a baby has a good chance of survival. I do not know what the Senator would describe as "good" as the evidence given at the...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: Yes.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: Does the Acting Chairman know what is the medical procedure?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: The medical procedure is the abortion procedure, which targets the life of the unborn baby. I am referring to two experts in the field, each one coming from a different perspective on the fundamental issue of either being pro-choice or pro-life. I am referring to their conclusion. It challenges all of us but particularly those who are pro-choice, as to where they stand on the spectrum....

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I report progress.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: No.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am extremely disappointed with the Minister's response but I am not surprised as it is consistent with the manner in which the Bill was drafted. First, it totally ignored all of the professional evidence presented over six days of health committee hearings. Second, a significant number of amendments were tabled in the Dáil but they have been ignored. Third, we have only reached the...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: The industry that I am talking about today is worse.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (22 Jul 2013)

Jim Walsh: The abortion industry is evil. All one has to do, when the industry is uncontrolled, is look at what happened in the Gosnell case. Can anybody here raise his or her hand to say that Gosnell was a paragon of virtue and he or she supports his practices?

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